Do Supreme Court Nominations REALLY Matter?

Will the next President really make a difference regarding the Supreme Court? Or is it a complete waste of time and effort?

Do the Supreme Court Nominations really matter during this (or any) Presidential Election?

The US Presidential Election is on just about everyone's mind these days.

Many of us are sick of it. But it's a big deal even if you'd just like the whole thing to go away.

People are talking about policies, sex scandals, lying, corruption, third party voting, and more, but one of the main topics is the Supreme Court.

So — what does this have to do with this blog?

A lot.

Politics and Health

The Supreme Court has to do with health.  A lot.

Over the years the Supreme Court has made decisions based on abortion, healthcare, and I'm sure vaccines will be on the docket at some point. Additional health issues have been proposed to the Supreme Court such as birth control.

And I am not just interested in health issues.

I'm a homeschooling mother who cares a great deal about freedom in general.

Educational freedom, religious freedom, and health freedom, which includes vaccine and healthcare freedom.

All of these issues are, or will likely be dealt with at the Supreme Court level.

Politics and Me

Before we get into the main point, here is a little big of my background.  I was never involved in politics at all as a child.  I was raised in a Democrat household and was told that the Democrats were for the poor people and the Republicans were for the rich.

Basically I knew nothing else. Well, I maybe knew who the President was at any particular time, but that might be about it.

That all changed in my 20s for a variety of reasons, but I got interested, and got informed, and got involved.

I was even a delegate at one point, and my husband is a political junkie, and even participates in and runs some libertarian seminars year round across the country.

So while we don't know everything, we try to be well informed.

And as you read on, you will see that I am pro life.  I am happy to dialogue about that as well, but that is the position from which this article is written.  Of course, the same argument could be made from the liberal standpoint — that Supreme Court nominations do matter.

Are the Supreme Court Nominations a One Issue Scam?

I have a friend on Facebook who posted that the focus during this election on the Supreme Court Nominees was simply a “single issue scam”.

I totally disagree.

By its nature, the Supreme Court discusses many issues.  Plus the sheer magnitude of the effect that the Supreme Court selection will have on our nation makes it a huge issue no matter what.

Saying that the Supreme Court is a single issue is like saying that voting for a President is a single issue, or voting for your Congressional Representatives is a single issue.

Didn't Conservatives Legalize Abortion?

The main argument that is tossed around regarding not considering the Supreme Court to be an issue of import is the Roe v. Wade argument.

The argument goes like this. “It was a majority Republican-appointed Supreme Court that legalized abortion!” so the argument that a Republican President will do anything positive for the Supreme Court makeup is simply wrong-headed.

Another friend of mine posted this article on Facebook, making that same argument.  Here is an excerpt from the article:

The makeup of SCOTUS when Roe v. Wade was decided was as follows:

  • Harry A. Blackmun
  • William J. Brennan
  • Warren Earl Burger
  • William Orville Douglas
  • Thurgood Marshall
  • Lewis Franklin Powell, Jr.
  • Potter Stewart
  • William H. Rehnquist
  • Byron R. White

Only two justices voted against Roe v. Wade: Rehnquist and White. Rehnquist was a conservative appointed by Nixon, and White was appointed by Kennedy. So, what was the makeup of those justices who voted to legalize abortion?

Blackmun (R-Nixon)

Brennan (R-Eisenhower)

Burger (R-Nixon)

Douglas (D-Roosevelt)

Marshall (D-Johnson)

Powell (R-Nixon)

Stewart (R-Eisenhower)

Well, at first glance, it does look pretty bad.

The argument basically is that Nixon and Eisenhower did nothing, and in fact, were part of the problem, so why bother thinking that another Republican would do any different?

Well, there are a number of problems with this argument.

Will the next President really make a difference regarding the Supreme Court? Or is it a complete waste of time and effort?

Rebuttal to “a Republican Supreme Court Legalized Abortion”

Abortion was already legal

First of all, abortion was already legal in many states.  What this decision did was to legalize it across the country, which therein overrode state laws.

So, in a sense, this was more of a statement about state's rights and overriding them.

Nixon and Eisenhower Were not Conservatives.

They were anything but.

And Nixon had some very troubling views on abortion.

Nixon said on the day after Roe v. Wade was handed down that abortion was necessary for certain situations like interracial marriages. (Source)

Both Nixon and Eisenhower would be considered by most to be moderates.

Public Awareness Has Changed

Contrary to during Nixon and Eisenhower's time, there is much more public awareness now of the need for conservative judges, in particular due to Roe v Wade and the current imbalance of the “balance of powers” that leans too heavily on SCOTUS.

We do not have a balance of powers.  In fact, things are heavily imbalanced with too much in total being left to the federal government and too much falling on the Judiciary.

Things Are Different Today

In the year that this post was written, we have information about what kind of justices would likely be appointed by both candidates, today the situation bears no similarity to the previous presidencies.

And due to the changing climate of Presidential elections, one would expect this to continue.

For this year, Trump has made a list of the judges that he would like to appoint. You can see those judges here.

Illogical Argument

This entire argument is a non sequitur.

The article states that since these moderate Republicans did a terrible job of appointing justices to SCOTUS, therefore someone who has a specific list of conservatives of whom he plans to appoint is going to nominate the same kind of wimpy justices?

It's a guilt by association fallacy and non sequitur fallacy as well.

Consider the Source

This article was written on Patheos by a man who calls himself a scholar.  He went to Gordon Conwell and then to Fuller Seminary.  If you look the URL of his writings, he calls himself “formerlyfundie” which is, of course a derogatory comment.

Gordon Conwell is a bit left leaning, as is Fuller, depending on your perspective.  Patheos is all over the map, but is primarily a left-leaning site.  The author calls himself a part of the emergent church, which is not a part of orthodox Christianity.

So, consider the source when reading any argument.  We all have biases, but we should be able to be intellectually honest about our statements regardless.

The article by Benjamin Corey is anything but.  It's not intellectually honest, and it's not scholarly.

Conclusion

The Supreme Court nominations matter a great deal.

The next President will likely appoint 4 justices to the Supreme Court and those justices will likely be on the bench for up to the next 30 years.

Currently, the court (particularly since the death of Antonin Scalia) is riddled with judges who are mainly on one side of the aisle — for more government control, and even justices who don't respect our Constitution.

If the justices of the Supreme Court of the US don't respect the Constitution, then what can we expect from them?

Our Founding Fathers set things up the way they did in wisdom and to prevent abuses. If we abandon that foundation, it is to our peril.

Disclaimer

None of this means that I am not concerned with some of the issues that surround Trump.  I am.  But I also think that some of these concerns have been blown out of proportion, or flat out lied about by the mainstream media.

The issue of Trump mocking disabled people is one case in point. Long story short, you can see in this link that he in fact didn't.  And of course, there is still time left before the election so anything could come up.

Additionally, of course candidates may not do what they promise to do, and justices might not act as we expect them to.  But we can still make informed decisions to the best of our abilities.

If you would like to dialogue about those things, feel free to comment below.

The point of this post was to dispel what I consider to be a totally illogical argument stating that the Supreme Court issue is a non-issue.

In fact, the Supreme Court Nominations are big deal and are something that all of us should be paying close attention to.

What do you think about the Supreme Court?

Photo Credits: Creative Commons Supreme Court by Matt Wade is licensed under CC by 2.0.
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  1. I am pleasantly surprised to all these responses. I heard Dick Morris once say, “If your not a Democrat in your teen’s, you don’t have a heart, but if your not a Republican by age 30, you don’t have a brain.”

    I agree with your points but being a veteran, I also feel strongly about the Americans killed in Benghazi and the innocent man that was incarcerated as a cover up. Our country being compromised due to incompetence and arrogance. People that want us dead being flown in, housed, fed and cared for while our guns and rights are being taken away.

    God help us, we need more prayer.

  2. I agree with you 100%! Thanks for being willing to share your thoughts on this touchy subject. Your blog reaches a lot of readers, so I hope they can see the light.

    • Thanks, Holly. It’s a very messy time indeed. Praying a lot!

      • Adrienne, I also agree with you 100% and commend you for exercising your freedom (while you still can) and speaking truth with boldness.
        Hillary Clinton is a depraved person and has taken six trips on the “Lolita Express” (billionaire Epstein’s jet) to an island in the Caribbean. Her husband, Bill Clinton, has taken 20 trips. Why? It’s public knowledge that Epstein is a pedophile and hosts parties at his island estate for high ranking government officials and the “elite”, flying them in via his private jet, the “Lolita Express”. These are precious innocent children, some as young as seven. “Hot Dogs” is code for little boys; “hamburgers” for little girls. Can you imagine the horror these children endure? Lives destroyed forever. I often hear people say “I’m sorry, but”… well I’m not sorry to say that Hillary Clinton is vile, wicked and an evil person. I have been praying for Yahweh God to give us a POTUS who will exercise righteousness and restore the will of the people; and to have mercy on America and not bring judgement upon us. If he doesn’t, He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah and He isn’t going to do that. God IS love but He must punish unrepentant sin. Donald Trump is far from perfect; but he is not evil. And, he is NOT the same man who was guilty of the “locker room talk.” Many pastors have prayed with him and he is very humble; one recently led him in a prayer of repentance to receive Jesus Christ into his heart as his Lord and Savior. He is a “baby Christian” and needs to be discipled. If you think neither candidate is worthy of your vote and abstain voting, you are throwing your vote to her. Please remember, the Supreme Court appointments are so very important and will be for years to come; one more reason not to vote for her. I realize that many who read this will have already voted (but, did you know you can actually change your vote?) Regardless of what Barack Hussein Obama says, America IS a Christian nation…
        “If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” (2 Chronicles 7:14)
        Thank you, Adrienne, for giving me the opportunity and allowing me to speak my mind.

        • Hello there and thanks for reading and commenting. I heard about that Lolita Express awhile ago and didn’t know what to think about it. Sounds terrible.

          I am not sure about the Trump issue w/ him being a Christian, however — I did see that retracted. Not to discount your thoughts but I read that in a few places.

          You are welcome to speak your mind, of course. I welcome all opinions. We should be able to talk about these things and learn from each other. Thanks again.

  3. I couldn’t have said it better myself! I agree that the Supreme Court nominations are absolutely critical on many fronts and will affect major issues in our country for the long-term.

    I’m a very reluctant Trump voter, but I do find solace in his choice of VP and others who counsel him. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can do enough mental gymnastics to justify voting for someone as corrupt as Hillary Clinton.

    • I agree with you, Alicia. It’s hard because so many of us are being accused of being sympathetic to things that we are not sympathetic to…..but that’s a Guilt by Association Fallacy which isn’t appropriate. Regarding voting for Clinton, I think that the way that liberal thought has infiltrated society through the media that is behind much of that — that and the entitlement society. More and more people being dependent on the government comes from so many things, not the least of which is the poisoning of our world that leads to more sickness and disease so people are less able to take care of themselves, and since our society is less and less of one in which we lean on each other in real community, we reach out to the government to save us. Kind of a rant there, but perhaps you know what I mean…..

  4. The one thing that can really change this wheel of crazy that’s rolling is bybeducating- awesome that you homeschool. Its hope for a bright future.
    As long as our kids are motorized via schools, its set to increase conformity not thoughtfulness- nobody will realise the importance and far-reaching effect of decisions and choices.

  5. Well said, i agree wholeheartedly with you although there are other issues, the appointment of Supreme Court justices that serve for life has the potential to shape our country for many years.

    I don’t like the way I see our medical care going and would be very happy to see Obama-care repealed. People want free medical, free college, free … forgetting that the only way to have free is to pay higher taxes :-(. Why is that so hard to understand? Adrienne, God bless you 🙂

    • Thanks, Vivian. I completely agree with you. There are a lot of issues besides SCOTUS. The taxes and free thing? It’s a lie that has been said over and over again ’til the masses believe it. And some understand it but they still think it’s right.

  6. People ALWAYS look for a reason to complain, say that something doesn’t matter, etc.

    To me, I see it as it’s usually an excuse for people to sit by & NOT have to DO anything… a part of the “entitlement & whining mentality” of I want such & such, BUT I am not going to ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING out of my comfort zone & that may steal some time away from pursing whatever it is I want to pursue…rather than WASTING it on such & such. I will tell myself & others that it does NOT matter and that will help quiet my guilt & free up my time to watch the poison on TV people call entertainment… because THAT is FUN & does not require me to actually DO something.

    Kind of like weeding the garden. Who wants to spend hours weeding a garden?! They want the harvest of delicious & nutritious food, but don’t want to have to SACRIFICE to get it. Just like people would rather PAY to get healthy food (& the food we BUY is NOT more nutritious than what we can GROW OURSELVES) rather than put in the extra effort to actually grow it themselves (now, I know SOME people just do NOT have to the time for a full garden, like single parents, those with a sick child, etc..but even they can grow some sprouts on their kitchen counter, something in a container, etc…..anyway, you get the gist of it), they would rather sit idly by & wait for OTHERS TO DO THE WORK… FIGHT… ETC.

    What people fail to recognize is that it is MUCH HARDER & EVEN MORE time consuming (& near impossible in some cases) to get back rights, freedoms, etc. once taken away, rather than if people would just STAND STRONG & TALL to BEGIN WITH! It is MUCH EASIER to keep what you already have by keeping pressure on those in charge to preserve those EXISITING rights, rather than FIGHTING to GET BACK what you already lost. Often what you *may* get back is so watered down, it almost isn’t even worth it.

    Life, politics, & anything worth anything are NOT for the WEAK NOR FAINT OF HEART! Let’s ALL put on our big boy & big girl panties, get our heads out of our cell phones & tablets, AND find out EXACTLY what is going on in AMERICA!! STOP TAKING SELFIES… STOP POSTING ON FAKEBOOK… Talk to PEOPLE in PERSON… get to know where people stand AND WHY… EDUCATE yourself….EDUCATE THEM…learn & GROW together. FIND out the SOURCES of the “facts” you use to make your arguments… AND find out who FUNDED the studies, etc. to prove those STATISTICS, FACTS, etc.

    One day we had a party… there was a CROP DUSTER AERIAL SPRAYING the fields ALL AROUND our small subdivision. There were 50+ people in our yard & they all dove into our home for shelter. It was VERY UPSETTING… anyway, two days later I called to find out WHAT was sprayed around us & WHO regulated it.

    I was told whatever the pesticide was… and was told it was VERY safe… blah, blah, blah. So I asked WHO said it was SAFE… WHO DECIDED that?! WHO studied it, TESTED it, & PROVED it?! Know what the Dept of Ag said (I think that’s who I called)?! The MANUFACTURER of the PESTICIDE determined the SAFETY of their OWN PRODUCT. I asked WHO OVERSAW them & PROVED their “SAFETY DATA” was TRUE?! Dept of Ag LAUGHED at me!! I don’t think they were used to someone asking them that question. They said there is NO MONEY for the GOVERNMENT to check into the studies, trials, etc. & determine if the data given by the companies was true… so I asked if they had to basically just “Take their word for it” that it was TRUTHFUL & was told “YES!”

    That day, my life changed & I NEVER looked back. My EYES WERE OPENED more than I even realized was possible. It was right IN MY FACE that MOST of the mainstream info floating around, even that being taught in schools & medical schools, etc. was nearly ALL PROVIDED & FUNDED by those who stood to gain the most from the “data” & how there is basically NO OVERSIGHT!!

    The TRUE information out there has to be SOUGHT!! It will NOT just bite you in the bum… because it is quite often supressed. I don’t know about the rest of the country, but I want THE TRUTH!! Not a bunch of LIES FUNDED by the EVILS of Monsanto (soon to be Bayer…) who CLEARLY have THEIR OWN agenda. I am quite CAPABLE of using the BRAIN God gave me… to make decisions for MY FAMILY. I do NOT need big bro to decide more than they already sickeningly do for me & mine!

    I DO agree that things can get quite frustrating & seem to be on a downward spiral, BUT I also say that I canNOT sit idly by & not try to educate others & VOTE! Even if my vote doesn’t matter, as some say, I am VOTING & doing MY PART by VOTING!! No, the candidates are NOT ideal, but as you also said, Adrienne, there is one who is CLEARLY against anything natural, safe, & ALL ABOUT big GOVERNMENT… NO THANKS!! AND NOT voting is NOT an option, as NOT voting is the SAME AS VOTING for the OTHER candidate!!

    Time to get OFF our butts, ON our KNEES, & WAKE UP!! It’s SHOW TIME!!

    2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV

    “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

    • Thanks for being enthusiastic about freedom and for working for it! blessings! Hope to see you around again. I’m working on another post.

      • Looking forward to more posts! I have actually be a reader for a few years (or longer… it’s been a while & several email addresses ago.. lol).

        I have made comments under different user names. I can’t remember which ones I use for what sites, so trying to streamline them! lol

        Keep up the AWESOME job… I APPLAUD the FABULOUS job those of you involved in your blog do! LOVE reading it :).

        • Thanks! I never heard of people using different user names on blogs – why do you do that? Thanks for the kind words!

          • LOL After having my email account hacked before & my identity stolen IRL a couple of times, I made sure not to use my full name & went to initials & nicknames.

            I was told by a fraud investigator to use just my first initial with my last name on credit cards, membership cards, etc. whenever allowed because it helps prevent ID theft… and if it does happen, it helps rule ME out as a suspect.

            How it is supposed to work is that my first initial ONLY (no full name) & last name are on things, but I actually SIGN my FULL first & last name. A virtual thief can’t read my signature & doesn’t know I sign my full name, nor do they even KNOW my first name. Since most thieves are via the internet & not through an credit card that was physically stolen, they won’t have the card in hand to know how to sign it with my full name. The actual signature on my credit card is a scribble & very hard to tell how I sign my name, but my signature is on file with my credit card company, etc. so if I need to prove my innocence for a third time, it would be much easier than the first two times,

            Over the years as technology has changed, I am not sure if the initial thing still works as well as it did 16 years ago when my ID was stolen for the 2nd time & crimes were more of someone physically stealing a wallet, etc., but it hasn’t happened a 3rd time (dare I say… it hasn’t happened again YET?!.. I sure hope it doesn’t happen again!)…. AND there have been security breeches with Target, T-Mobile, etc. who had my info but NOT my full name. Maybe it still helps, maybe it doesn’t.. but I am not going to change it now! lol

            Also, my wallet, credit card, etc. were never physically stolen 23+ years ago the first time it happened, & we never found out how my personal identity was stolen either time. I do know the 2nd time it was by a MAN & he signed the MALE version of my name & the store clerks, etc. didn’t even pay any attention… not even when HE applied for IN-STORE credit & was given thousands of $$$ in their store credit cards in MY NAME, a WOMAN. using MY DOb & SSN!! So they ran MY CREDIT REPORT with him signing the MALE version of my NAME & GAVE INSTANT CREDIT TO HIM!?!? It was INFURIATING!!

            That is when the detective told me to use the intial to make things more difficult for the crooks… so they don’t KNOW if I am male or female. Though, those store associates who gave the multiple cards to the 2nd GUY thief, obviously wouldn’t have paid attention no matter what. It was caught fairly quickly, so he was DENIED attempts at NINE cell phones in my name too. Thank God for that, though maybe we could have caught the thief using the numbers called then?! lol I STILL have ALIASES (the MALE one too!) on my credit report from the THIEF / THIEVES… all these years later. I tried SEVERAL times to get them off, but it never happened & I gave up after several attempts.

            Oh, & I also put passwords on my credit card accounts (so I have to give my password in addtion to the other info to have my account accessed), possible fraud spending limit alerts (I get an email for any purchases over a certain amount immediately after a transaction), & I have a block on applying for instant credit in my name.. can’t get it without being contacted first at the number they have on file for me (which I need to update, come to think of it). There was also a block on my credit reports… which I have to renew too.

            So all that to say, after a HUGE mess with my identity being stolen TWICE & having to prove my innocence, I am very cautious :)!

          • OH my goodness. I have no idea if that’s a helpful strategy or not! I wonder whom I would ask. Terrible!!!!!

  7. Yes! Thank you!

  8. I had praying hands that didn’t display when I sent. I’m sorry a question mark appeared. It’s praying hand on my side.
    This is the 1st time I wrote you. Never would I question your faith. The love you write, the love you give. It’s been incredible to learn from your experiences.
    Thank you dearly, my friend & coach

  9. Thank you 4 sharing. Truth worth sharing
    Because of Jesus?

  10. Thanks for being willing to open this topic up to discussion – this is the land of the free and the brave and it’s important we all exercise our right to vote. I too, believe it’s not just the presidential candidate, it’s who and what will re-form this great country for not only the next 4 years, but in the long run also. And it isn’t merely a D vs R vote and way of thinking! My ballot has been cast -, early so I don’t need to get caught up in the last days of mudslinging from both parties; and the myriad of flyers regarding propositions and measures. And yes, I have studied the people running and what they stand for – with a long view of the impact their decisions will have; not based on emotional, individual stories, but on real big-picture thinking for where this country is heading! I am older, so I consider strongly the state of this country in 30-40 years, not so much for me but for the legacy we will leave to our children and grandchildren! And I pray it’s not a socialist state, where the individual’s will to provide for one’s family is nonexistent because the government is controlling it all! May Peace and good judgement reign…

    • Hi Jill.

      Thank you for reading and for writing. I know – we’re not supposed to talk about such things, but politics is tied in to everything — including health. You are very right. I’m not a fan about early voting b/c I think it leads to unethical voting and one party’s benefit, but that’s a side note. This was passed to me today. What do you think about it? https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/31/new-clinton-probe-proves-early-voting-bad-america/

      • Some states will allow you to change. I hope that.people who have had a change of.heart will check.into that. Sadly, for those considering voting 3rd party, please reconsider. I vote libertarian on a local level when I can, but it is pretty much impossible to do thatfrom the top down. It has to start at the grassroots level. My biggest comaint about Johnson is his open borders… We have enough diseases coming in so we need to bring in MORE? How stupid doessomeone have to be?

        • I’m hearing so far that it’s only MN and WI. Is that correct? We are libertarian conservatives, but there are other concerns about Johnson for sure. I should have mentioned in the post that my husband is sort of a libertarian expert. Sort of. He has been attending libertarian conferences and running them (occasionally) around the country for a number of years now. Johnson is not a self-governing libertarian, he is a license (anything)-based libertarian which cannot be sustained. Ugh. Yes, it’s totally stupid. Thanks for commenting.

  11. Lori Alexander says:

    I agree with you 100% plus Trump has chosen and amazing VP and will nominate justices like Scalia who was a conservative, constitutional justice and one of the very best ever. No, Trump isn’t a great nominee but he is light years better than Hillary as we have seen in the last week. Thank you!

  12. Jean Glass Meuser says:

    Well I would say that if one would choose to believe that the issue of SCOTUS matters, I think there are other things just as important. Do people understand what Globalism means. Are people able to recognize a Globalist? Do your own research on people. What they believe and then reflects on what they will do. Do you want the European style of so called medical care? Standing in line. If you have anything serious you just might die before you get to the NEED. That is a fact. It is also true that Canadians choose to come to the U.S. for health care needs. We all know that is a joke, because personal health requires responsibility. You don’t put you health in a doctor’s hands. It is up to us to know what it takes to preserve good health. The Government will soon take our rights away in choosing; For example the issue of vacs. There is one (voting) choice that will lead to that kind of mess. Our country is at a turning point; the last chance.!!! But I don’t think fault can be place totally on elected people in the government. It is WE the people. A people within a country who strays from moral and spiritual principles for their life is part of what (has in the past) and what will bring this country down to total destruction. If I am wrong, no problem, but if I’m even half right there will be a lot of suffering. Next week we will know.

    • Hi Jean.

      Yes, you are right that there are many other issues. Of course, those things would be reflected in the choice of SCOTUS nominees as well.

      Globalism is a huge concern, and I did know that about Canadians. I have a good friend in Canada who waits about 5 months for doctor appointments. It’s terrible.

      Yes, vaccines are terrible as well. I suspect we agree on many things. Praying here. Thanks for reading and for commenting.

      • Hi,
        I don’t normally leave comments but feel compelled to do so here regarding your thoughts on healthcare.
        I have heard these types of comments countless times from Americans, but you need to know that you are misinformed. I have been told by Americans that Canadians are the sickest people and are dying in droves, that Canadians seek medical care outside of Canada, that Canadians don’t get proper medical care, etc. This is just simply not true. I am a Canadian and am very grateful for the fact that we have our healthcare system. It truly offends me that so many Americans feel they are knowledgeable enough about our system to spread their thoughts as facts. The comments I hear, I believe, are a result of the misinformation that is put forth to citizens by those in government that are in opposition to universal healthcare.

        If you would take a step back and look at facts and the big picture, you would see that there is a great benefit to Canadian and European healthcare systems. Sure, we pay taxes for it but, with everyone chipping in a little, all Canadian and European citizens have equal access to healthcare. This is not true in the US. If you can afford it, you can have coverage. If you can’t, well…

        There’s also the fact that the USA ranks low in terms of health among westernized countries. Which seems odd considering the US is one of the most advanced in healthcare knowledge and access. So why then is the US ranked so low? Because there is such a large part of the population that either can’t afford medical insurance or is so minimally covered that they are limited. This just does not seem right. This was a news story out of the US several years ago: There was a child, I believe in the Washington state area, that died because the family was turned away by two hospitals, and by the time they arrived at the third, it was too late. This would not happen in Canada. Every Canadian citizen has access to every hospital, clinic and doctor. No one would ever be turned away. I’m not saying our healthcare system is perfect; there is definitely room for improvement but what better way to improve than to study the leading systems. France and Italy are #1 and 2, Spain, Austria, Japan, Norway, Greece, Iceland, UK, Switzerland (to select just a sampling)…these are all in the top 20. These countries have universal healthcare. I think this says a lot. There is so much to learn from them.

        At the risk of being offensive (and that is not my intention at all), I find a contradiction in the Pro-Life ideal and the no universal care ideal. I don’t believe that the two can co-exist. To put forth the pro-life ideal, one must also put forth the assurance of available care for that new life. If pro-life is enforced but no healthcare is guaranteed accessible, then what kind of existence is there for that new life? There also needs to be adequate care accessible to the pregnant woman to ensure proper health for her and the baby. That baby needs the mother to be healthy so that it can be healthy. Statistically, most unwanted births are because of rape, or are in populations that are not as well off and most likely can not afford health insurance, as it is in the US (before Obama). So my belief is that, if one is for pro-life, one must also be for universal care.

        As far as waiting 5 months for a doctor appointment, that is not true. Going to see your family doctor is not a 5 month waiting list, that’s ludicrous. It may be 5 months to see a specialist or for surgery for non-emergency situations. I, myself, waited 2 months for an MRI, then 3 months for hip surgery. My situation was not life threatening, was not an emergency, was not stopping me from going about my daily business. If it had been, I would have been in right away. With that said, the beauty of our healthcare system is that we also have private facilities available to us. So, if we choose not to wait, we can choose to go private. We have the options.

        As for Canadians going to the US for healthcare, again, nonsense. The reason a Canadian would go to the US for care is if we don’t have that specialized care available here. That has nothing to do with our healthcare system. It has mostly to do with the fact that we are a much smaller nation than the US so we don’t have every specialized treatment available. And by specialized, I mean something like a very specific type of cancer treatment that is new, as an example.

        Another issue to examine is that when everyone has equal access to good healthcare, the health of the citizens increases. This translates into better productivity in all aspects…life, career, relationships, self esteem, etc. It’s a win-win. Without equal access to good healthcare, each and every US citizen pays for it indirectly. Let’s take the workplace as an example. Lost productivity means it needs to be made up by some other means. That cost will always be passed on to the consumer. You may not be paying taxes for your healthcare, but, ultimately, you are paying out of your pocket for not having healthcare.

        The scandinavian countries have it down. You should look at Norway as an example of what “free” healthcare, “free” education, etc. has done for them. Do you know that because they are healthy, because they have access to great education no matter what their economic situation is, the crime rate in Norway, as a result, is so low that the “guards” (if that’s what you want to call them) in their “prisons” are not armed. They’re not armed because they don’t need to be. Look at what decency, humanity, equality for all, and a caring, selfless society can do for the morale and self esteem of people.

        The US is looked at as having a ‘me first/what’s in it for me’ attitude. This comes from the lack of willingness to pay taxes that will help all. My father lives in the US now and can compare the two systems through experience. He has been tested dearly by the American system and can not understand the reluctance to transition to a system that has been proven throughout the world. Sure, it won’t be an easy or smooth transition. It will take time to work out the bugs and fine tune things. But, if given time and given a whole-hearted chance, I believe Americans will see the benefit. There just needs to be a mind-shift.

        I respect that everyone has their opinion and I am very impressed with the respect shown by all in the comments. I hope I did not offend anyone because that was not my intention at all. I apologize if I have. My purpose here was to provide everyone with some clarity on the Canadian system. And while it’s not entirely perfect, I am very grateful we have it.

        I wish blessings for yourselves and your country in this time of transition and uncertainty. 🙂

        • Hello and thanks for reading and commenting. I’m going to paste your comment here so I can reply more easily and so readers can follow more easily as well:

          Hi,
          I don’t normally leave comments but feel compelled to do so here regarding your thoughts on healthcare.

          I am glad you took the time to do so. 🙂

          I have heard these types of comments countless times from Americans, but you need to know that you are misinformed. I have been told by Americans that Canadians are the sickest people and are dying in droves, that Canadians seek medical care outside of Canada, that Canadians don’t get proper medical care, etc. This is just simply not true. I am a Canadian and am very grateful for the fact that we have our healthcare system. It truly offends me that so many Americans feel they are knowledgeable enough about our system to spread their thoughts as facts. The comments I hear, I believe, are a result of the misinformation that is put forth to citizens by those in government that are in opposition to universal healthcare.

          I have never heard that you are the sickest and dying in droves. Just that many are upset about the wait to get care, that there is minimal alternative care available, and that they come here if they can to get care.

          If you would take a step back and look at facts and the big picture, you would see that there is a great benefit to Canadian and European healthcare systems. Sure, we pay taxes for it but, with everyone chipping in a little, all Canadian and European citizens have equal access to healthcare. This is not true in the US. If you can afford it, you can have coverage. If you can’t, well…

          Yes, it needs to be more affordable but taxing everyone isn’t the answer, I don’t think. If you make something free, it gets abused and so do the prices.

          There’s also the fact that the USA ranks low in terms of health among westernized countries. Which seems odd considering the US is one of the most advanced in healthcare knowledge and access. So why then is the US ranked so low? Because there is such a large part of the population that either can’t afford medical insurance or is so minimally covered that they are limited. This just does not seem right. This was a news story out of the US several years ago: There was a child, I believe in the Washington state area, that died because the family was turned away by two hospitals, and by the time they arrived at the third, it was too late. This would not happen in Canada. Every Canadian citizen has access to every hospital, clinic and doctor. No one would ever be turned away. I’m not saying our healthcare system is perfect; there is definitely room for improvement but what better way to improve than to study the leading systems. France and Italy are #1 and 2, Spain, Austria, Japan, Norway, Greece, Iceland, UK, Switzerland (to select just a sampling)…these are all in the top 20. These countries have universal healthcare. I think this says a lot. There is so much to learn from them.

          Yes, we have tons of junk food and no incentive to be healthy and a horrible media system that pushes garbage on our citizens. Plus we have open borders basically so that adds to the problem. It’s a multi-faceted problem.

          At the risk of being offensive (and that is not my intention at all), I find a contradiction in the Pro-Life ideal and the no universal care ideal. I don’t believe that the two can co-exist. To put forth the pro-life ideal, one must also put forth the assurance of available care for that new life. If pro-life is enforced but no healthcare is guaranteed accessible, then what kind of existence is there for that new life? There also needs to be adequate care accessible to the pregnant woman to ensure proper health for her and the baby. That baby needs the mother to be healthy so that it can be healthy. Statistically, most unwanted births are because of rape, or are in populations that are not as well off and most likely can not afford health insurance, as it is in the US (before Obama). So my belief is that, if one is for pro-life, one must also be for universal care.

          You are of course free to share your opinion and I don’t think you are being offensive at all. I wrote a post about this that might interest you: http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/what-is-pro-life/ I would be interested in your thoughts. I am all for caring for people but I don’t think that the federal gov’t needs to be doing that. Did you mean to write that most unwanted births are b/c of rape and lack of money? The statistics actually show otherwise. This might be of interest: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

          As far as waiting 5 months for a doctor appointment, that is not true. Going to see your family doctor is not a 5 month waiting list, that’s ludicrous. It may be 5 months to see a specialist or for surgery for non-emergency situations. I, myself, waited 2 months for an MRI, then 3 months for hip surgery. My situation was not life threatening, was not an emergency, was not stopping me from going about my daily business. If it had been, I would have been in right away. With that said, the beauty of our healthcare system is that we also have private facilities available to us. So, if we choose not to wait, we can choose to go private. We have the options.

          I can’t violate my friend’s privacy by sharing her info here but she regularly waits 5 months to see her doctor. It wasn’t her family doctor but not something horribly specialized either and 5 months is way too long when you are dealing with something that needs attention. She was very concerned about her health.

          As for Canadians going to the US for healthcare, again, nonsense. The reason a Canadian would go to the US for care is if we don’t have that specialized care available here. That has nothing to do with our healthcare system. It has mostly to do with the fact that we are a much smaller nation than the US so we don’t have every specialized treatment available. And by specialized, I mean something like a very specific type of cancer treatment that is new, as an example.

          The articles that I have read were about people seeking better care – not care that wasn’t available in Canada. Perhaps this would be of interest. The article states that your system couldn’t handle the demand: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-travelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds

          Another issue to examine is that when everyone has equal access to good healthcare, the health of the citizens increases. This translates into better productivity in all aspects…life, career, relationships, self esteem, etc. It’s a win-win. Without equal access to good healthcare, each and every US citizen pays for it indirectly. Let’s take the workplace as an example. Lost productivity means it needs to be made up by some other means. That cost will always be passed on to the consumer. You may not be paying taxes for your healthcare, but, ultimately, you are paying out of your pocket for not having healthcare.

          I think without fixing the base issues here (cruddy corruption, cruddy food, unsafe vaccines, unsafe drugs, the marketing of drugs, etc.) then no kind of healthcare paid for by taxes will fix anything.

          The scandinavian countries have it down. You should look at Norway as an example of what “free” healthcare, “free” education, etc. has done for them. Do you know that because they are healthy, because they have access to great education no matter what their economic situation is, the crime rate in Norway, as a result, is so low that the “guards” (if that’s what you want to call them) in their “prisons” are not armed. They’re not armed because they don’t need to be. Look at what decency, humanity, equality for all, and a caring, selfless society can do for the morale and self esteem of people.

          Have you seen that those countries are backpedaling on their socialistic ways? This is one example here: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia

          The US is looked at as having a ‘me first/what’s in it for me’ attitude. This comes from the lack of willingness to pay taxes that will help all. My father lives in the US now and can compare the two systems through experience. He has been tested dearly by the American system and can not understand the reluctance to transition to a system that has been proven throughout the world. Sure, it won’t be an easy or smooth transition. It will take time to work out the bugs and fine tune things. But, if given time and given a whole-hearted chance, I believe Americans will see the benefit. There just needs to be a mind-shift.

          We, to the contrary, pay heaps of taxes, but I consider it to be a lack of freedom. Why not make things affordable and generate jobs so that people can afford things, rather than bloat the gov’t so that people get more and more “free” stuff while doing nothing?

          I respect that everyone has their opinion and I am very impressed with the respect shown by all in the comments. I hope I did not offend anyone because that was not my intention at all. I apologize if I have. My purpose here was to provide everyone with some clarity on the Canadian system. And while it’s not entirely perfect, I am very grateful we have it.

          Again, you are not offending anyone – I appreciate the dialogue and would be interested in your thoughts about what I shared. Thanks again for reading!

          I wish blessings for yourselves and your country in this time of transition and uncertainty. ?

          Thank you!

    • So true!