We’re back with Part 3 of the search for the Best Essential Oils Company.
After writing Which Essential Oils Company is Best – Part One (basically, where this whole thing started) and Which EO Company is Best – Part 2 (where I outline what you should be looking for in a company), I thought that I should share how I came to find “the best essential oils company”.
Come along for the investigative adventure with me…..
Now, of course, I am only one person. And a homeschooling mom who is battling adrenal fatigue.
And one of my kids has Aspergers’s (See The Best Autism Therapy) and life-threatening food allergies (see Food Allergies and Eczema – a Healing Story) and the other has dyslexia.
Let’s just say I am busy.
If I were only studying essential oils full time, I could possibly check out every essential oils company on the market and get back to you with a list of all of them in order of preference.
Would be nice, huh?
Well, I had no idea what I was getting myself into when I started, but if you go back and skim through the comments on Part One and Part Two, you will see that there are LOADS of essential oils companies out there.
Even for my intensely investigative mind, there needs to be an end.
At some point, I needed to be “OK with a super good, reasonably priced company” and call it a day.
That’s what I think I have and this is how I got there.
How I Chose “The Best Essential Oils Company”
All of these events kind of converge with each other, so bear with me. It will all iron out in the end.
1. Young Living
Here’s where it started. You can read my post on A Skeptic Looks at Thieves Oil to see that I really thought that EO’s (as they are referred to in the oils world) were a bunch of baloney.
I finally tried them and became a fast believer. Check out Peppermint, Wintergreen, and More to see how well they worked.
I wasn’t thrilled with some of the things that I’d read about Young Living’s Founder, Gary Young, but I spoke with a number of people about it (including one previous skeptic at Young Living) and felt that if the products were good, then I could deal with the negative. The information in this document was particularly disconcerting to me, but then again, the author of Quackwatch pretty much has nothing good to say about any alternative modality of healing so I didn’t want to put too much stock in his words. In fact, it appears that Mr. Barrett (the author) seems to have issue in his past to deal with as well, including ties to the FDA (from my post on “Probiotics are Dangerous! Arsenic is Safe!” you can see that the FDA isn’t really kind to “alternative” companies.
Anyway, after sharing my Young Living posts with you all, I read through all of the comments and started talking with other companies. I just felt that I owed it to my family, and my readers, to look into other companies more.
Little did I know that the fun had only just begun
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I started contacting numerous companies based on those mentioned in the comments on my oils posts.
2. doTERRA
One of the first things I did was to contact a rep from doTERRA (one of the commenters on my Best Essential Oils post) and after asking a ton of questions (really – a TON), and doing a little investigating into some of the other non-multi-level companies, I decided to take the plunge and buy a starter kit (Yes, I have spent a LOAD of money on oils). To this doTERRA rep’s credit, she was very much “not pushy” about doTERRA and I had to even ask her if she was a rep or not. That meant a LOT to me. I NOT into pushy salespeople.
My first thought–their oils smelled AMAZING. My youngest son always wanted to smell them, particularly the peppermint. In fact, as I walked down this path, he was always asking voting for doTERRA as being the best essential oils company. :-).
I used their oils some, but didn’t know what to think.
After awhile, I thought I’d dive in and commit to using only doTERRA oils for a bit to see what results I would get.
Some OK results and some really great ones too.
a. A leg / groin injury. I tried to heal this with YL’s oils for months, but it never went completely away. doTERRA’s lemongrass and peppermint took it away.
b. Sleep – no apparent help from either lavender or vetiver. Sad, tired mom.
c. Oregano – really helped with warts, but we didn’t use it long enough to get rid of them
d. Frankincense – husband had what looked like a precancerous spot on his back and this healed it up quickly.
e. On Guard – I never really felt that this had the same “punch” that YL’s Thieves did.
f. Slim and Sassy – tastes great (with stevia in water), but no weight loss here. I’m not really heavy, but would love to drop about 2-4 pounds.
g. Allergies – no help there either with peppermint, lavender and lemon.
I do really like their educational support from reps and their company.
3. Troubles with the Oils Industry
I contacted other companies, and went on literally a heap of essential oil company’s sites. Then, during my investigations, I ended up being asked by a company to help them choose an essential oils supplier (crazy, huh?) so I got to try out another company’s oils (for free this time) and found out more and more about oils along the way.
- Some of the companies actually distill at high pressure and high temperature to get more oil out faster, despite it being widely known in the oils industry that low temperature and low pressure is the way to do it.
- Oils are adulterated. With chemicals, fragrances or cheaper oil. I heard from one source that CODEX allows for oils to be labeled “pure” with only 3% of the pure oil in the bottle. I couldn’t get documentation for that, but I can see it being true. You’ve seen those bottles labeled “pure vanilla extract” that have a lot of alcohol and sugar in them as well, right? The vanilla part is pure but there’s other stuff in that bottle. One oil company owner told me he once tested a health food store brand that was labeled “pure” but it tested with 75% propylene glycol.
Basically, if the price seems too good to be true, it likely is.
- False certificates – One oil company owner told me that he had sold small amounts of 2 varieties of an oil to a smaller company. They asked for the certification of the more expensive oil, apparently for “verification”. Later, they ordered a large amount of the less expensive oil to sell to their customers. The first company’s owner later visited the buyer’s site and saw that the company had posted the certificate for the more expensive oil alongside the info for the “cheaper” oil they had just purchased from him. Ugh!
Just because there is a certificate doesn’t mean that is what is being sold.
- “Complete distillations” or “redistillation” vs “first distillations”. While there is no official standard for how oils are distilled, here is very interesting information showing how one gets a “candy cane-like” smell when distilling peppermint oil. Apparently if you distill it at a higher temperature or pressure, or redistill, you get this same “candy”-like smell. I will refer to this later.
- I have also heard about oils being reheated to make them smell more palatable. Remember we said “low temperature”?
- Chemical Solvents – Some companies are distilling with solvents. No more chemical nasties, right? Ick. There are a few exceptions, but very few. You want steam distilled oils only otherwise.
- Safety violations – There are some companies without good reputations in this arena as well. I will talk about this next time as well.
I could go on, but again, you can see that this is a murky industry. Kind of like the modern-day food industry.
More about other companies (and more on YL and doTERRA) in my next post, Best Essential Oils – Part 4. Hang with me–the end is near
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For more in the Best Essential Oils Series:
- Which Essential Oils Company is Best? – Part 1
- Best Essential Oils – What a Good Oils Company Should Have – Part 2
- Young Living vs. doTERRA – Part 4
- Are Multi-Level Marketing Oils Worth It? – Part 5
- Distillation, Bias, Vomit and More Concerns – Part 6
- Announcing “the Best” Essential Oils Company – Part 7
I’d love to hear your thoughts and will answer any questions as soon as I can.
And – I really don’t mean to “string you all along”. You can see this has been a long time in the works. If you have an urgent need, please email me at wholenewmom at gmail dot com and I will be happy to help you. Thanks for understanding!
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I am so glad there is a part three… for a minute I was worried you were going to say that Young living and doterra are the best out there and I’m not a fan of either of those brands. I don’t like that doterra is so expensive yet most of their oils are not organic but yet they tell people to take them internally… yuck!
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There will be a part 4 and likely 5. This is taking a lot of work. Thanks for commenting!!!
Really enjoying this series Adrienne! Can’t wait for part 4.
I’ve been using doTERRA since May, and fall in love with them more every week…
One question- Did you try YL’s lav/lemon/peppermint oils for your allergies as well without results? Or just doTERRAs? Just curious.
Hi Jill! I think so but that was a long time ago. They really didn’t seem to make a dent. I felt I’d be downing a whole bottle each per day if I kept it up
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Jill, you are better off working with a local beekeeper for allergies. Raw local honey will help build up your immune system and kill bad bacteria in your system.
I agree with raw local honey. Totally helped me break a nasty cycle that occurred year after year after year. Best wishes!
BTW, I am intrigued about your EO discoveries. Glad to hear a part 4 is coming (and maybe a part 5). I have used YL EOs (way back when) and they do last a good long while, but I have heard disturbing stories. I prefer other brands.
Thanks for all the hard work, Adrienne!
I’m a DoTerra rep, and use the oils but i’m open minded and would love to see if there are higher quality or less expensive (or both!) oils out there. Its so hard to know about these things unless you truly trust your source of information or you are actually in the lap testing things yourself.
I feel the same way about natural supplements and foods! Oh well, I’ll try not to stress too much.
Thank you so much that you’re doing this.
You’re welcome!!
I have to ask, did you settle with one of the 2 companies mentioned here, or is there a 3rd company that won your vote?? I use YL, but have been wondering about another company that a blogger I follow uses.
Not disclosing publicly yet. Stay tuned or email if you have an urgent need.
Thanks for the posts. I’ve really been wanting to try EOs, but was overwhelmed by all of the companies and claims out there. Just today I came across this http://www.beeyoutiful.com/hpaoeo After reading, I decided to try a few of their oils. We’ll see!
Have you tried Mountain Rose Herbs essential oils?
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Yes – I mentioned them in my other posts and they will come up again.
Oooh, this is getting interesting! I am VERY eager to hear your conclusions on this matter! Personally I have been using YL oils for several years, and I really like them, especially their Thieves blend, but I also have not really had any super healing experiences with their oils like so many of the testimonials that I read. I can’t wait to hear all that you have discovered! Thank you for doing all this research for all of us!
Can’t wait to hear the results. I’ve been using EO for 20 years, and have used many of the companies you are looking into. Thank you for researching so thoroughly!
The suspense is killing me =)
I thought about getting the 32 piece set from Eden’s Garden for Christmas. I think I’ll wait. I am new to EOs, but I want to make sure I get the best. In the mean time I have some Doterra and some Aura Cacia. Thanks for your hard work.
I use Eden’s Garden and love their oils. But mostly I love their price. I contacted them and they claim their oils are 100% pure and they don’t adulterate them. I’m pretty happy with them as a company and their oils as a whole. Just my opinion.
Just a note. Companies can say whatever they like. You really need to look into them. I so far haven’t found any company admitting up front to adulterating
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I also did just a little bit of research on YL and d?TERRA and decided to go with d?TERRA. I was not disappointed! Everyone in my family including my husband who didnt think it would work uses them on a regular basis. He was the first one we used the oils on when he had a migraine. We used peppermint and worked great. I am currently using the deep blue for my post back surgery pain for my sciatica pain. All i can say is i am in love with d?TERRA Essential Oils!!
Stacey,
Try Niacin, I think it is B3 for Migraines. It will help open up the arteries in the brain for blood flow.
Really interesting. I’ve been using Young Living for about 15 years now. I love them but wouldn’t mind finding something a little less expensive. I’ve tried several different brands over the years but always end up going back to Young Living. I guess in the the end you pretty much get what you pay for. Thank you for all of your research. I’m interested in hearing your final conclusions!
One thing I don’t understand is YL uses wintergreen in the thieves oil. I keep reading you should NEVER take wintergreen internally. Makes me think all the companies that want you to take oils internally isn’t very strong. I love that you are doing this but you are making me feel like I’m waiting for my tax return! Just joking!
You may want to check again…YL’s Thieves oil blend does NOT
contain Wintergreen.
Have you looked into Floracopia and Mountain Rose Herbs? I personally don’t go for Doterra or Young Living, they’re both brothers and have a lot of shady business in their past and have got better at covering their tracks in my opinion. I can’t wait to see what part 4 and 5 hold. You’re so amazing for doing all this research!
Thanks! MRH – yes. Flora – not yet. I heard about them but was exhausted I think. I’ll see what I can come up with.
They are not brothers. Former employee’s of Young Living created DoTerra.
This is awesome! Have you heard of Ananda Apothecary? That’s where I get mine…they SEEM to be a great company, but maybe I’m wrong!
Yes – you can look at the comments or hold on. I will address them again.
Thanks for mentioning this company! I haven’t investigated the essential oils or other products, but I sure am in love with some of their education components of the web site. I’ve been searching for the number of drops per milliliter for a long time. I used a generic 20 drops (water) for one project and it is wildly inaccurate, according to Ananda Apothecary’s website…. I researched longevity of oils (essential and carrier) awhile back and my information mostly matches Ananda Apothecary’s website.
I have enjoyed reading your posts, Adrienne. You are definitely putting lots of time into your research. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in March of 2011. After much prayer and research I decided to go the traditional route and then build up my system afterwards. During my chemo treatments I had a very weak immune system. The Dr. said I shouldn’t take any supplements such as vitamin C to build it up for fear of interfering with the chemo. I work at a college and there are always sneezing, sick people in my office. I used Doterra’s On Guard in a diffuser and I didn’t even get a cold! I am done with my treatments and I’m doing great. I use Doterra’s Oregano and Melaluca in capsules, along with OnGuard in a diffuser whenever I feel like I’m starting to get something and they knock it right out. I love Doterra but I am interesting in the results of your research. Thanks!
I want to dive into oils. I wish information on their use was easily avail.
We’ll see if we can help – hang in there
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I had received some YL peppermint from my mom and I used it so quickly. I replaced it with Aura Cacia peppermint and I hate it. It doesn’t smell pure at all
Guess I learned my lesson on buying cheap oils!
Let me begin with, I sell and use DoTerra.
My caution in any oil is understanding how an oil is used. Here are a few reasons.
First, many push the use of oil in a high volume. As a local beekeeper and in what I have learned from bee, I do not encourage people to eat pollen. Although raw honey is highly beneficial to many for food and allergies, the pollen I have concerns with. I also have concern in eating the wax.
Note, pollen is taken by the bees from acres of plants. EO is the same. One small jar of EO is from 1 to 5 acres of plants. We humans were not made to consume an acre of plants in a moment. My concern is over dose and actually poisoning to some.
Second, I understand there have been some great results from EO. EO may work for, lets say autism in some, but it may not work for others. Our bodies react differently depending on our heath. Eczema is known to be the reaction to your body being highly toxic. The skin is the LAST organ of the body and one would need a good cleanse before adding EOs to their system.
Third, using an EO from only one company may not always be best. For years I have used melaleuca oil from the melaleuca company. Not sure what the difference is, but I like their tea tree oil better than DoTerra’s. In all other cases, I use DoTerra.
Forth, I caution anyone to use any oil without testing it for their body. I can use Melaleuca Company Tea tree directly on my body. I can use DoTerra peppermint oil directly on my temples, back of my neck and in my mouth. But I CAN NOT use it directly anywhere near my shoulders. It will burn my underarms, even if it is on my clothes. Lavender is the same.
There is a reason lemon oil will melt a styrofoam cup if placed on it directly.
Finally, my advice is always cut oils with something. place it in shampoos, soaps, bath salts and foods. And, use real food when available instead of EOs. If cilantro is available, use it instead of the EO. There are green goodies you will get from the food that you will be missing in the EO.
Just a few thoughts to ponder over,
Becky the Beekeeper
Absolutely love what you have to say Becky. Excellent advice…especially about always cutting the oil with something. I hate the claims from YL & DT that their oils can be taken internally when everything I read from people NOT selling oils says not to take any EO’s internally. I admire the fact that you are selling DT but can look at things objectively.
The issue of internal vs external us of oils is actually more of a philosophy difference. British vs French philosophy. I personally think that both uses are appropriate and I use the oils both ways. And both with caution, of course.
I went and looked at thieves and I did NOT read wintergreen. I think I read or misread it on one of the posts…. Sorry for that! Cant wait for your results.
You might have been thinking about Eucalyptus. One kind of eucalyptus is not OK to take internally – Eucalyptus Globulus. Radiata is the kind in Thieves.
I’m disappointed that you have ignored the legal troubles that Young Living has gone through, and continues to go through. They DO cut their oil. Their claim that they use “all parts of the plant” are also worrisome because not ALL parts of the plants are healthy (some parts of some plants are even poisonous). Young living charges unnecessary high prices. But they do this because they sell their products via a “Pyramid” scheme. In other words, they are more concerned about making money than healing. Thieves’ oil is not a “Young Living” discovery, and in fact, I buy a 30ml bottle for $14.99 off of Amazon.com that is the same recipe, but from a company called “Plant Therapy”. That same bottle from YL would cost almost $100.00. I don’t know what research you did, but it sounds like you got hoodwinked by a YL rep. I implore you to dig deeper into Young Living, their founder, their company, and quality, and their practices. Try Google.
I am very curious about your comments. It sounds like you are upset at me but I don’t know why. I shared some things about YL in the post. Did you not read all of it or Part 2? Thanks. I know about the legal issue going on now with doTERRA and YL but I haven’t kept up on it – is that what you are talking about? Or something else? Thanks.
Oh Honey, I’m not mad. Just disappointed. There is much controversy over YL. Much of it is buried, but a lot of the info is in one spot found here: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/young.html. and then you can take that source info and move off to explore each aspect individually. Its easier.
YL is a dubious company at best. Way overpriced and profit driven at worst. The founder has a history of unlawful practice of medicine. He is self-proclaimed in all that he touts.
YL claims to have pure EOs but they use a carrier oil to cut the oils with. Thus, you THINK you are paying for pure 100% EOs, but in fact, you are not, and that begs the question: Then what are you paying for? So, while it wouldn’t be SO bad to buy oils from this company if they were “just oils” (as long as price was not an issue),the oils are not even pure, and if they truly do use the entire plant, some may even be toxic.
And really, I don’t want to buy my health products (in this case essential oils) from a Multi-Level Marketing company that is profit driven. That never bodes well for the consumer.
Sorry if I came across as angry. I think any frustration that came through on my comment is towards the company that was founded on deception.
So, in conclusion, with regard to YL… Caveat Emptor
Hi Lisa. I appreciate your writing back. I have already linked to the Quackwatch article – did you miss it? I don’t really care for S. Barrett b/c of his constant attacking of all thing natural, but well, you will see where I am going in Parts #4 & #5. I do think I’ve read / heard quite a bit about YL but if you would like to shoot me some specific things I would honestly be very appreciative. You can just email wholenewmom at gmail dot com.
Thank you so much.
Lisa, you sound like the Be Young and Dterra reps that have approached me. Always very attacking of Gary Young, first of all, and then attacking our oils. One kept after me to provide her with an oil so she could test mine against hers. ~sigh~ I pay more for YL because it is the largest therapeutic grade essential oil company in the world. Each plant is farmed, harvested, steam distilled or extracted to exacting standards. Each plant has to be distilled for a specific length of time as well as a specific temperature. With over a hundred and thirty oils and new ones being discovered by Gary every year, that is a very expensive undertaking. Every distillery he has around the world has a fully appointed scientific lab to tested the oils as they are being produced. Some of the best and brightest scientific minds currently performing clinical trials on frankincense and cancer will only use YL oils. One of them spoke at convention on his discoveries of frankincense and bladder cancer. Dr. HK Lin had a very unfortunate and negative experience using DTerra oil in a clinical trial and he tested the oil they gave him. The current lawsuit has everything to do with fraud. There is not a single eo company in the world that can claim to have frankincense from Oman. Young Living has an exclusive contract. Also, Dr. Lin revealed to us that the DT frankincense he tested was discovered to be diluted with 60% liquid paraffin. That makes me very angry. People are using oils to heal their bodies, not add toxins. Young Living is my business. I have used them for 6 years. I teach and mentor my people. I care about what happens to them. If a company’s oils are cheap, I cannot speak to the quality or therapeutic value of the oil. An oil off the shelf or through many of these companies will not provide a consultant to guide and educate in the use of essential oils and eo products. YL’s design allows for training and mentoring to be an integral part of a business that has wonderful values and integrity.
Lisa, did you READ these posts? Or just see the name Young Living and assume Adrienne is recommending them? Adrienne has been very clear that she has concerns about YL, and has been investigating them and other companies. She hasn’t yet said which company she decided to go with.
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I’m so excited to keep reading….I’ve wanted to learn more about essential oils for years but it’s so overwhelming! Where do you start for which ailment and then there’s the cost. I have a friend who uses Thieves for all her cleaning and loves it. Can’t wait to find out what you think. Thanks for researching for those of us who don’t have the time (or energy
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You’re welcome. And it has been exhausting. I need a little rest before Part 4. Maybe something simple in the next few days…
Lavender from the US (I’ve been told 3 drops a couple times a day) and raw honey from within a 100 miles of your house for allergies. Most Lavender EO’s you find are from France. Young Livings St. Maries Lavender is grown in the United States.
Adrienne,
I am so appreciative of the research you are doing into the oils. It is on my list (I research daily – my daughter and I suffer with adrenal fatigue also) so this will be nice that someone else is doing the work for a change! Interesting note, my chiropractor/ Chinese Medical doctor tested the energy of the oils with their machine and YL was the highest in energy, with doTerra being “up there”, and the NOW brand nearly without any at all. Hmmmmmm…. Can’t wait to see the results!!
Sorry you struggle too. My practitioner is well-versed in Chinese medicine as well but I don’t think she tests energies. She is far away from me regardless…
Babs, so good to know!! I to struggle with adrenal fatigue and have just begun looking in to the benefits of EOs for me and my family. I have some doTerra and NOW…guess I can dump the NOW product.
We have a bulk company near the house that dispenses EOs into our reusable vials. I will have to ask them where they get their oils from.
Adrienne, I know this is a ton of time, research, and work for you! Like many others I want to say THANK YOU for doing it and sharing all that you are learning. It’s benefiting so many moms and their families!!
Thanks for the encouragement! It means a ton!
Here is one I came across the other day. The company is out of the UK where their laws are much stricter than ours so I was wondering if the quality was better.
https://us.nyrorganic.com/shop/corp/
ever heard of them?
Haven’t heard of them. Their offerings are very slim. Did you notice that?
I’ve recently found your blog and am finding lots of useful info! Thank you. One thing I saw in this post – the part about the False Certificates. Are you going to publish the name of the company that used the cheaper oils but used the false certificate to make it look like they were using better oils (or would that open you up to a lawsuit?)…and were those cheaper oils really inferior?
I’m looking at various products that I use and am now wondering what’s really in them (e.g., Badger, Herb Pharm)…
Michele, I don’t know the name of the company. But of course, in this case cheaper isn’t as good – like not organic vs organic. I can ask which company but it might get me sued. I will share what I know as I can.
I love NYR! So much that I became a rep for the company! The reason that their offerings are slim is because they are a small organic company that will not compromise with their very high standards. They source most of their herbals from small family owned farms. I can send you a sample if you want to include it in your article series.
Ok… I am feeling way less frustrated now!! Thanks so much for your hard work. I have 7 children – one being very special needs with heart defect, etc… so I understand your time is limited. I am going to stick with buying from where I am buying from until the LORD gives me the word to change! I look forward to your upcoming information with great expectation!
Blessings!
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I’m sorry – were you frustrated w/ me earlier? I do think I recall your commenting but can’t find your comment now. I so hope to have the next post up next week, but not sure. I kind of need to do a giveaway or something and of course, there’s this little thing called Christmas and I have to fight someone to get $500 back on my credit card so I need to document all that. Ick. Just a tad busy. If you are desperate let me know. How funny to see your son was @ the Bible Bee. My son was there once and placed another year, but we decided against it. Too much anxiety and too much time for Dad to take off work.
Oh how interesting about your son participating in the Bible Bee! I know that if he was there this year, Jordan would have loved getting to know him! Jordan and Eden can’t wait to compete again next year!
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I have only started using essential oils and looking at different companies for about a week, but I can give you two examples, one good, one bad:
Eden’s Garden:
Only 100% pure therapeutic grade essential oils and carrier oils, nothing else. I’ve ordered twice from them and both times the products arrived sealed, as described and within 3 days of ordering. I have been using them in soaps, lotions, and scrubs and have had no issues whatsoever. My last order was missing one product but an email inquiry was responded to within the hour and with absolutely no fuss…they apologized for the oversight and immediately shipped the missing product. A+ for both customer service and quality of products.
Mountain Rose Herbs:
I can’t vouch for the quality of the products as I haven’t received them. The website promises an immediate confirmation email and orders packed and shipped within two days. Not only did I not receive a confirmation email, the status shown in the “My Account” section of the website still shows the order as “Order Placed”, after 4 days. A very polite email was sent inquiring when I should expect the products to be shipped, and I’ve heard nothing back after 2 days. While MRH appears to have a ton of products (oils, butters, even containers for homemade cosmetics) and their website is very informational and easy to navigate, it really doesn’t matter if I can’t get my items in a reasonable amount of time or at least a timely response to my inquiries. F for service.
I’ve had the same experience with Eden’s Garden. I love them and swear by them.
Just wanted to add one more company to the mix…SanFrancisco Herb Co.
Thank you & hoe you get to feeling better soon.
Thank you! I am feeling a lot better. But now a not so horrible stomach thing is in our home.
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Great post again! seems like a lot of work has really gone into this. I still really feel that you should at least call and talk with the owner of Nature’s Fusions Essential Oils. Making a decision without investigating this company a little would be a mistake in my mind. I have researched and used oils for years, I started with YL and doTERRA and was happy with the quality, but NOT with the extravagant prices. Nature’s Fusions is owned by three brothers, and was started because their younger sister was diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer. They were sick of false information and high prices coming from the MLM companies and started Nature’s Fusions with the intent to bring the highest quality oils from the highest quality sources around the world extracted in the best practices in native distilleries at a consumer friendly price with accurate, scientific study-based information. All blends were formulated in conjunction with mid-wives and Essential Oil Practitioners of years.
I have never heard a complaint about their oils, and their labeling is amazing. Give the founder, David Peterson a call at 1-801-376-5799 and i know you won’t be displeased. Even if a very short call.
You mentioned Asperger’s and Autism treatments. The owner actually has Adult Autism, and would be a great resource for additional knowledge as well.
Thanks – I looked into NF and have thoughts – I am talking with someone else about this and I am not as pleased as with where I am going. But I appreciate your kind words. I might be interested in looking further, however.
Wow Adrienne. That is crazy. I guess it pays to do the research. Thank you for all that you do.
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Thanks, France. I think I need a breather before Part 4. Things are a little busy
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There are so many types of oil/ natural/ skincare & other related products I’ve found it overwhelming to decide which products to use. My skin is very important to me! When I was looking to try out more natural skin care, I did rely mostly on articles (such as yours), blogs, and user reviews. My favorite product (and the product that worked the best for my skin) has been Defend. If you’re interested in checking it out – I purchased this at purelementnaturals.com. I came across a couple of user reviews for Defend on other blogs I have been reading and it seemed worth checking out. My skin has felt hydrated, which is a huge plus during these upcoming winter months. I am really pleased with the product!
Looks interesting. Is it a new company? I just saw one before and after photo.
According to the company background page, they’ve been in business since 2011. Personally, I just discovered the company a few months back (after reading a comment that someone else had written on the product). Since it has worked so well for me, I like to continue to spread the love!
Looking forward to reading more from you in Part 4!
I *really* appreciate the research you’ve done and the concise and thorough way you are delivering it. I’m sorry you haven’t been feeling well and I truly understand how busy things are but I must say I do not care for the way this has dragged out. Will be looking forward to the conclusion.
Hi Mel. Sorry–you sound pretty frustrated with me. Believe me–I didn’t mean for this to drag on. But I just didn’t think it was right to just write a post telling folks where to go and buy oils w/o explaining the process. And it’s been a long one. As I sat to write it got longer and longer and I didn’t want to lose everyone with a 4,000 word-long post. If you think I should have done something differently, I am open to that. But please keep in mind–I am just one person. I am trying my best not to be a full-time blogger and a zero-time mom
. And some really tough things have come up in my life that have hard deadlines so I have to do what I have to do. Thanks for reading.
Thanks for all of the hard work. I can’t wait for part 4. I would like to know which company you think is best.
We may have met by chance…but we become friends by choice.
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My friend who makes the products on our site gets our oils from essentialwholesale.com which supplies organic products. I edited the book entitled “The Art, Science & Business of Aromatherapy” for Essential Wholesale’s founder, Kayla Fioravanti. Talk about a crash course in oils! I’d be curious what your objective take is on them?
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I got back to you via email. They don’t look like a great source. Thanks for mentioning them!
I am Very eager to hear the results, too, but I am also very glad to hear the steps you are telling how you got to your conclusion
Have you looked into Bulk Apothecary? If not, that’s okay, no pressure
But if you have, I will keep waiting to hear about it.
Thank you again. And blessings and peace to you this season.
Yes, I have. Thanks!!!
do you know if you will have part for up before Christmas? I keep checking to make sure I haven’t missed it! thanks!!
sorry, “part 4″
Not sure – sorry. I have a major personal issue that I need to deal with by 12/24 and it is going to take a lot of time. I will try.
Hi, I am going to be ordering a huge essential oil order from Young Living, (because YL is all I have tried), but I an a new massage therapist and I will be using oils in my business. And I want the best for the clients, if I say that they will work I want them to work. But I want to place a big order hopefully this week. For the the Raindrop Technique, massage oils, and emotional release, and weight loss, etc. Can you email me privately if you want. Just give me a heads up if you can. I have looked into others beside YL, but I have found great stuff about YL. So if you think there is some better than YL, please let me know what you think. I just want good quality. quanity and price doesnt matter. thanks for doing the research for us all. becky
Hi. Depending on when your order is and how much…..well – you decide if it is urgent
. I am having a rough time answering emails
. wholenewmom at gmail.
So much great info! I have been wanting to invest in some quality oil, but just do not know where to start or what company I can depend on. Can’t wait for the next installment!
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This has come at the perfect time for me as I just began my journey into EOs. Thank you for the time you have put into it that will surely save many others much time and confusion. I was ready to sign on with Doterra and then discovered Heritage EOs. Quite naively, I thought Doterra was the ONLY pure EOs! I am looking forward mostly to getting Frankicense and Doterra has it free this month with 200 points. But then I noticed I could get all that came in the beginner’s kit with free Frankincense for half the cost at Heritage without free Frankincense. It seems rather insane…and I am sure you agree it can make you feel insane! Enough said. I look forward to your next posts! God bless and Merry Christmas!
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Thanks!!! I am a little swamped right now but have started putting the rest together
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Wow~ I am so thankful to find this blog, and I must say thank you for your time and effort into this subject. I am a Registered Nurse and have just signed up with Doterra. I happen to find this blod by doing some research myself on essential oils. Being a nurse and a mother of a child with some health issues, only allows me to have caution and want to know more, however I am also frustrated with the overuse of pharmaceuticals in this country. I am excited to know more of what you find out and I also hope that you Christmas is wonderful and peaceful.
I’m really interested in what you think of Heritage EO!!
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I am eager for your next post but definitely take your time! We all have things more important in our lives than what is going on in the cyber-world right now.
Thanks for these posts, I found you on a “blog hop”. and was very interested bcuz I have used YL for 4 years, and recently (within the last year), Doterra has become very popular in my small town. I have tried both; however, I am vested in YL’s company and am sticking with them. I use a lot of their suppliments and vitamins. thanks for all this hard work and the courage to put this on your blog when we live in a “stand by your EO company” world!!!! One last comment, I do use a few of DOterra’s products that YL doesn’t carry (like the Deep Blue rub and I like their cough drops better)!! Thanks again:)
So thankful your hard work, there are so many companies to wade through. I do hope that if you find out anything undesirable about Mountain Rose herbs that you will let us know, being that , that is who i buy from. Thank you so much
Have you looking to Evergreen essential oils too? I adore your work, hang in there. You are a treasure, and your family is very, very blessed to have you caring for then. “Come to me, all you who are weary, and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”—
Not particularly. If I have time I will include them. Thanks!
I’d like to recommend Eden’s Garden. http://www.edensgarden.com They are NOT a MLM company and as such can keep their prices at about a third of what YL and DT charge. Their oils are all certified therapeutic grade. I have used both YL and DT and I now almost exclusively use Eden’s Garden I find their oils to be on par with or better than YL and DT. I am in no way affiliated with EG I am just a very happy customer.
I looked at them – thanks!!
I agree with you 100%. I love Eden’s Garden and love paying 1/3 of the price of the MLM companies. I love that they donate part of their profits to Teen Challenge too. I’m glad Adrienne looked into them…I’m interested to see what she has to say. But like you, I’m just a 100% happy satisfied customer of theirs and will sing their praises until the end of time!
Adrienne,
I just want to say I admire your efforts in looking into essential oils. I am currently taking courses to become a certified Aromatherapists and the information out there on EO’s is enormous. When I first started classes I was amazed at the clinical, scientific, industrial, economic, you name it aspects of the industry. My input to readers of this post is to ask a registered or certified aromatherapist for adviced about what essential oils and company is most legit.
Thanks for all of the work! I’m debating purchasing YL right now- I’ve used Eden’s Garden in the past, and the huge price variance (not to mention the difference in the smells, which you mention above) make me question things. But, as you point out, there’s so much to question, I’m not even sure where to start! I’m glad my research into this topic led me to your site- I look forward to continued reading!
I just wanted to agree that maybe there doesn’t need to be one company fits all. That aside, for sleep try DoTerra’s Serenity on your feet before bed. It puts me to sleep every time. We also use it on our cats scruff when it’s time to take them to the vet. (just one drop) Seriously, the vet always comments about how well behaved and calm they are. Actually, it seems to work on one cat more than the other; so it could be with humans too!
I’ve been wanting to start using more essential oils but have been so overwhelmed by it all and didn’t know where to start or what company to buy from. This series is awesome, I’m so glad I found it! I would love if you could share this post at Simply Natural Saturdays http://www.montanasolarcreations.com/2012/12/simply-natural-saturdays-12-22-2012.html
For insomnia, I have discovered a blend of essential oils that work for me. I usually awaken at 3am and seldom get any decent sleep after that hour. Now I apply the oil blend before going to sleep and sleep all night. Here’s the blend:
one drop melissa (lemon balm) ananda apothecary
two drops ravensara ananda apothecary
two drops wild lavender ananda apothecary
three drops ylang ylang extra now essential oils
Applied by turning a very small bottle of the blend over onto a finger. Apply to temples, side of neck and upper back. Once or twice as necessary. I use 1/8 ounce bottles (about 7ml) The aroma is both beautiful and relaxing.
It works well for me. Ananda has proven to be a good supplier of quality oils and their service is excellent and shipping usually the same day. I always use two day priority. It’s worth the slight extra cost.
David G. from Ohio
Thanks. I’ll be sharing my thoughts on Ananda. Thanks!
Added Note:
Both Melissa and Ravensara are known to be potent virus killers. Lavender is good for the liver (balances blood sugar) and also good for the skin. (this according to Kurt Schnaubelt “Advanced Aromatherapy”) Lavender also balances and harmonizes the blend. Amazing, these essential oils, how many things they treat when they are pure and unadulterated.
I personally only use oils from Birch Hill Happenings. They are local company (small mom and pop shop) that source their oils from organic sources and they 3rd party test all of their oils to be sure they do not contain any chemicals or pesticides. They also include how the oils were collected and where in the world they came from. They have relationships with all of their suppliers and love to educate and answer questions regarding aromatherapy. I would encourage you to talk with them–they return all of their phone calls themselves.
Adrienne,
I just want to say THANK YOU for doing the leg work on this topic. It is immense and I apprecaite you taking the time to research and post about it. Definitely put your family first, because in reality, we could all do the research ourselves, so don’t neglect your family to research this topic. Take your time. You efforts are MUCH appreciated. You rock. We are all blessed to have you in our cyber-lives. I pray God’s blessing on you and your family in the coming year!
Thank you, Brooke! I had some more inquiries this past week to make sure I had picked a good company and I am really pleased. I hope to get to part 4 soon!
Blessings on you and I hope you are having a restful Christmas!!
Thank you for posting all your research! I have recently wanted to get into essential oils and I also can’t wait to see how this series ends. Have a merry Christmas!
Thanks and Merry Christmas!!
Thank you !!! I am now in calm mode and happy using NOW essential oils until the end of your excellent series on essential Oils. Wanted to encourage you in your path
I cannot tell you how valuable your work is to me. I know the cost of your time. Keep on keepin on
we are cheering ya on here 
Denise
Thank you so much.
Nature’s Sunshine also has Essential Oils. Have you looked at them at all?
I don’t think so. I think I’d have to work FT for a month or so only on this but I think it will all make sense with my next posts. Stay tuned!
I am eagerly awaiting the publishing of the essential oil information that you have collected. I am holding off on replenishing my stock until your next parts are published. Your diligent work is greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Have you used Fabulous Frannie?
No, I haven’t. I have mostly looked into oils companies but haven’t used each company’s oils. I’d be completely broke – as opposed to just having my wallet emptied partially
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Thank you for all your research and sharing it! I have started researching as well and have learned (as you have) so much about the industry. I would like to know more about the testing and what they mean. I read that you can test eo’s on blotting paper to see if they are mixed with a carrier oil. If pure, then will not leave an oily residue. I am looking forward to your next post. Hang in there sweet momma!
I’ve heard mixed things about that. I will try to get more info. Thanks!
Hi. Here is the info on the staining filters:
Sending you an email! I can’t wait to hear your conclusions!
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Hi Erin!
This is such a huge and messy topic! I have gone down this rabbit hole many a time. Best wishes!
I personally have found three companies that meet my needs for different price points, uses, and selection. Just recently, for example, my favorite local aromatherapist (she teaches and practices locally…not with any particular company; she studied all over the world) recommended black spruce EO. This is not easy to find. I ordered from my favorite small company online along with a hard-to-find hydrosol. I’m about to place an order to replace some common easy-to-find EOs and will use a different company.
So do you think you are getting close to a decision? Cant wait to hear what you have decided. I am needing to order a big order soon of eo and boy sure if I should order from young living or somewhere else. I am so glad you are doing the research; thanks for doing all you do.
Yes, I shored up my decision this past week. If you get desperate shoot me an email. I am working on Part 4 but I’ve had a rough week. Trying not to burn myself out
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I emailed you personally. Not sure if you got it. What is you’re email? I went to contact at top and emailed you with that email. Thanks becky
Just emailed you
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Thank you for your detailed research of this subject! I started my EO journey with Young Living, and I now use doTERRA oils. My personal experience has been greater success and better product support with DT. There is new documentation available that outlines the rigorous standards associated with DT’s Certified Pure Therapeutic Grade. I’d be glad to send it to you if that would be helpful!
Thanks SO MUCH for doing all of this research!! This can all be VERY overwhelming to sort through, so I’m very thankful you are sharing all of this helpful info with us!! Have you any opinion of Wisdom of the Earth essential oils? Just curious =) I hope you & your family are well & enjoying this holiday season!! Patiently looking forward to the conclusion
!! Best!!
HI Alicia. I did look into them. Several thoughts. I am hoping to get Pt 4 out this coming week. Let me know if that’s not soon enough. I am not sure if I’ll address them in Pt 4 or not.
Just wondered if you hav e checked out Simpler’s Botanicals (shopsimplers.com)? Got the h2eo diffuser for them for Christmas from my hubby (he had done research, which blew me away), and they seem to have a good understanding of the process (very balanced), from the guide they sent with my order. (They sell oils, just happened to get that diffuser from them b/c it wasn’t avail. On amazon). So have not tried their oils yet, but prices reasonable and quality sounds good. My friends and I are eagerly awaiting the results!
I have worked in the medical field my whole adult life. I am just starting on my natural journey, since
Last April, cleaning up my food, cleaning supplies, personal care items. I think I’m ready to start learning about more natural healing as well. It is foreign & confusing to me. I would love to learn about EO, as well as other natural suggestions for daily health care needs. Can’t wait to hear your conclusions. Is there others places you may suggest to learn more about other natural healing? Thanks for ALL you do!!
Thanks! Depends. What are you interested in? I have written about heavy metals, adrenals and autism. I hope to write more.
Thank you for all of your work! I am anxiously awaiting the final results of your research. My question: will you be saying anything about some of the other brands of herbs you researched? I would love to hear what you thought of my favorite, Mountain Rose Herbs?
Thank you!
Yes, I hope to. Thanks!!! Working on Part 4 now.
I need to start w/ the basics I think, like colds, flu, headaches, sleep disruption. I’m sure as I learn more I will understand how to realize bigger issues.
It’s a lot. I don’t get everything myself but I have been working on sleep issues. Check out my heavy metals and adrenal posts and see what you think
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First of all, thank you for your research. Second, I have recently started using EOs and have a friend that recommended Butterfly Express EOs to me. I haven’t seen anything on this company so far. Have you researched them and/or are you going to talk about this Butterfly Express?
I did look at them – were they not in the comments?
I know you’re almost done your research, but have you looked at plant therapy? They have great reviews on their website and on amazon.com.
I believe so – thanks!
Have you seen this? This gentleman did his review, but I’m not sure how, exactly he did it. he recommends Doterra first, then Mountain Rose Herbs, then Edan’s garden. http://www.best-natural-health-supplements.com/where-to-buy-essential-oils.html
Have you looked at those two companies?
I’m glad you’re doing this research and look forward to hearing more of how you came to your conclusions!
That person has commented on my oils posts. He is a doTERRA distributor. Yes, I have looked at all 3. Thanks!! Part 4 by Friday, I hope!
Adrienne, will you be able to comment further in part 4 or 5 about Nature’s Fusions that Matthew mentioned? I was intrigued by what he had to say about them. either way, thx!
Likely what I will do it outline the major companies and what I think. Then I will go into what company I chose and why. I might touch on the companies I didn’t go with but it would be a really exhaustive list. I have to think about how to do this. But I did take them into account so if they are the “winner” I will explain why. If not, I will either explain publicly or perhaps privately. Remind me if you don’t hear. I will do what I can to address individual questions one way or another.
thx, so excited!
Like Kim, I’m very curious about Plant Therapy Essential Oils. Their “compare to Thieves” blend is sold on Amazon and gets pretty good reviews by people looking to purchase oils at less expense than through Young Living…
doterras serenity oil is what i use to help me sleep, when i started using it it just helped me realx, i only used it at bedtime though and eventually it became associated in my mind with going to bed and now it can put me to sleep. i would try that since lavnder was not helping, i have not tried vetiver personally.
We did try that, I think. Thanks!
OMG !!! thank thank you…trying to decide if its worth investing more in Doterra…or WhAT!!! thank you for doing this…
I wanted to applaud Becky the Beekeeper for urging restraint on the internal use of essential oils. A reminder to all those reading…every ethical supplier that I know of discourages blanket internal use of the essential oils…because, as stated earlier, our bodies are NOT designed to metabolize essential oils. The only reason to urge internal use, or undiluted topical use is economic…to sell more oils. For the massage therapist eager to outfit her practice with YL oils for all the various uses: you mentioned Raindrop Therapy. Are you aware that the two professional aromatherapy associations in the US both condemn the practice of raindrop therapy as unsafe? Perhaps educating yourselves beyond the education supplied by MLM’s might help. There are two professional associations. NAHA http://www.naha.org/ and the AIA http://www.alliance-aromatherapists.org/ Another non commercial informative site is http://www.aromaweb.com. Robert Tisserand, a world renowned authority on essential oils and essential oil safety is found at http://roberttisserand.com/. There are literally hundreds of well respected books and industry specific magazines, so that you can educate yourself. Please don’t believe everything you read. Compare sources, then decide.
I think you bring up good points. I hope to talk about internal use of oils. Thanks.
I’ve been using doTERRA oils for several years with good results. An aquaintance has now recommended to me Josiah’s Oils http://www.josiahsoils.com. Perhaps you can add it to your study. Thanks.
Adrienne, I have enjoyed your posts, your research, and your comments all along–they reveal integrity & sincerity, and I am really looking forward to your conclusions!
Thank you so much – much appreciated.
Did you post Part 4 yet? I couldn’t find it and I’m very excited to read your selection and thoughts!
Thank you for doing this…just getting into EOs and feel like my head is swirling from all the information.
The link will be at the end of Part 3. I forgot -sorry!
Thank you for doing all this research! (Sounds from all the questions in the comments like you need to put a list in the final post of all the companies you looked into at all, to save you answering the same sort of question again and again.
) I eagerly await the conclusion. 

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Hi Adrienne, I am new to EO’s, all of my neighbors use and love doterra. But I can’t afford their prices! A friend recommended Butterfly Express EO’s and I’ve been trying to study up on them these last few days without being able to find the answers I’m looking for. I haven’t been able to find your opinion on them in your posts or in the comments. If you have looked into them, would you mind emailing me your breakdown? I would really appreciate your opinion and I am so glad I came across your blog
Thank you for looking into all of these companies!
I have – likely we can talk about individual companies after this coming week – would that work?
We would love to be considered. http://www.josiahsoils.com. I am a fellow HS mom who started the company for my son who has special needs and benefits from EO. These are our family recipes!
What a lovely site and beautiful son. Do you have information on your site about where your oils come from?
Hi Adrienne. We use a few very good sources and always test each batch [Mount. Rose and Eden Botanicals r 2 of my favorites]. I buy only organic when possible. Because of the lack of regulations, I find that a very well-trained nose is the best way to determine if an oil is high quality. I also think that topical application is a fast, effective and MUCH safer way to benefit from oils [I could go on about that)
check out: The Healing Intelligence of Essential Oils: The Science of Advanced Aromatherapy — in your spare time LOL! At any rate we make salves as well and train our customers to make their own products like hand “sanitizer”, household cleaners . . . with pre-blended essential oils. I also have some a research page. I am really enjoying your site. Thanks
So you buy from those companies and sell in smaller bottles? Is that a book you are referring to? I am really looking for some good books. I have the YL and doTERRA books but am wondering if I want to hang on to them or just sell them and get other books. I have my eye on one I really want but would love some more insight. Thanks! You’re very kind. I’m working on more DIY stuff as well.
Yes, The Healing Intelligence of Essential Oils: The Science of Advanced Aromatherapy is a book and doesn’t advertise any particular company, but rather is a scientific look at oils how they are gathered and how they work/heal. I highly recommend it!
Look into Eden Botanicals. I researched for months on the importance of extraction. My research led me to them, and I finally ordered my arsenal of needed therapeutic oils. This company is amazing. It tells you on every oil what grade it is, extraction method used, and where the plant came from. I say compared to the big names, they are much more reasonable in costs and the extraction is done correctly, not the case with the multi level marketing brands I researched. My oils are potent so a little goes a very long way. I am thrilled with them. Also, when using a diffuser for therapeutic use, it should be an ultra sonic nebulizer. No heat to break down the oils. I love the one I got from Puritan Pride for about $60. Hope my research helps someone.
I am looking at them. Thought I had but looking now. You are right about the no heat on the oils
. That’s the kind I have but mine was from doTERRA. It was more than $60. The company I recommended I think has 2 in stock now and they also prioritize how far the electrical source is from the oils so they are pretty picky.
Thanks!
What company do you suggest for a diffuser?
I am very intrigued by the diffusers at Native American Nutritionals. Check out my review of them in Part 7. The breeze one looks really good to me and the owner is very picky about them. If you end up purchasing, I would so appreciate your telling them that I sent you – you can mention my blog name or use code:90166. Thanks!
Yes when ordering through Native American, the code 90166 is not working. Any other ideas?
90166 now just lets them know I referred you. It goes in the “how did you find out about us” place. There is no sale code right now…but hope to have another one in the future. Make sure you are subscribed
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We are trying to order, but the code is just telling me it is not valid. Any other ideas?
Are you trying to order from Native American?
Thank you so so much for all of this information. I am diving into the EO world and am really overwhelmed. I had no idea there were so many choices and that they could be altered in such ways. I would love to buy the top one (DoTerra and the native american one you referenced) but I am currently a single mama on a single budget with 2 little boys. My husband is gone for a year which put a huge financial strain on us but I so desperately want to be wholistic like I had planned before they were born. I have heard Eden Botanicals is a great product especially for the cost, thoughts? Also someone told me about Fabulous Frannie’s on Ebay http://stores.ebay.com/Fabulous-Frannie/Essential-Oil-/_i.html?_fsub=3455029018&_sid=108733488&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
but I just don’t know now. I don’t want to waste my money on something that isn’t exactly what I wanted. Any advice? Also what are good oils to start with? I have a list so far of Lavender, Tea Tree, Peppermint, Lemon Grass, Chamomile, Eucalyptus, Cypress Oil, and Lemon. Thank you again for all your help!!
I can’t find the info on Eden now – I think I had info on it but I can’t find it now. Frannie’s stuff? I am just swamped now, but she is selling 40/42 lavender which is a synthetic blend. Not something I want to use therapeutically. If you hang in there, there will likely be another sale soon. Can you wait? I think your starting list is good except I haven’t used chamomile. Did you check out NAN’s emergency kit? Those seem to be a good group to start with. Drop me an email if you need to buy right away
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I have been using only one brand which is Primavera (German company) for last 10 years and for the last a few years I have been looking a replacement since their oils are too expensive,I don’t mind pay the price if the products are good.But I would like to find out if there is cheaper and better or cheaper and same quality.Do you happen to know which company could compare Primavera?
Thanks a lot
Keep reading to Part 7, where I talk about the company I decided on
. Can you find the links at the bottom of each post?
I haven’t seen anything about NOW brand…do you have any info or experience about that company?
There is some info in the comments —I don’t see country of origin and their prices seem “too good to be true”. But I do like the company. Use a lot of their stuff.
I just heard that Primavera is a very good company, as well as Shirley Price, did you research either of those companies?
I looked at both just now. Primavera looks to possibly have nice quality but their prices are about triple that of the company that I recommended for the oils I checked. As for Shirley, I couldn’t figure out their site. They say they sell oils but I couldn’t figure out where to see details or pricing. I can look perhaps if you fwd that to me.