Are Essential Oils a Scam? ~ A Skeptic Looks at Thieves® Oil

Young Living Essential Oils

**UPDATE – 2013.  Before you continue with this post, please note I no longer recommend Young Living Oils. Come Read Which Essential Oils Company is Best? to see what company I recommend now.**

I’m not one to trust in alternative remedies easily.

Really, I’m not. However, when one is really sick and mainstream medicine isn’t helping, one starts looking elsewhere. With all that we’ve been through with autism, adrenal fatigue, heavy metals, and more, I’ve been in and out of doctor’s offices.  I’ve tried, among other things:

  • chiropractic
  • homeopathy
  • kinesiology
  • ionic foot bath (just once)
  • acupressure
  • tons of supplements (no – I haven’t weighed them.  But if I did I’m scared if it would be close.)
  • Nutritional Balancing.  Our current plan that I’m really pleased with.  See more in this adrenal fatigue – and this one too.

Anyway, we’ve tried a lot on our road to healing.  I’ve been really careful not to mortgage the farm (er – our house) in trying to heal my son’s autism, but it’s been tempting at times.

Looking back at that list, I guess it’s pretty hard to think that I’m a skeptic, right?

But really I am.

We’ve tried a lot, but we really did put a lot of thought into all of these “healing options” and most of them we aren’t doing anymore.

Either haven’t worked, or we’ve found something that’s worked better or cheaper.

Well, the latest object of my skepticism is….you guessed it.  Essential Oils.

Specifically Young Living Essential Oils.

I’ve heard about these oils a number of times over the years.

People would tell me how great Young Living’s oils were and I’d think, “Yeah, right.

You’re just trying to get me into another one of those network marketing things.” Well, it seemed that over and over someone would be telling me about Young Living essential oils. Especially the Thieves blend.  It’s supposed to be antiviral, antibacterial – “Yeah, right.” this skeptic thought.

Anyway, about 10 months ago, I got sick.

Really sick.

I had a bad cold that I just couldn’t shake.

I had fluid in my ear and then my nose – and then both. Three weeks or more passed.  I started asking friends for advice and feared the dreaded antibiotic. One natural-minded friend suggested I get some Thieves oil.

“I always use that when I feel something coming on.  It’s great!”, she said. “So, do you sell Young Living too?”  I asked. “No.”

I went on a hunt to get some since finally, a person who didn’t stand to gain from my purchase was recommending it.

I got a small sample from a local woman, but it wasn’t enough to deal with my problem. So I called the first person who had told me about Young Living and she sent me a larger sample, enough to get me through a few day.

Three days after I started taking the oil (I took 5 drops, followed by a “gulp” of water, up to 5 times per day) –I was better. Good stuff. I ended up signing up with Young Living pretty soon after that.

**NOTE:   Since the original posting, I’ve been sorting through a bunch of essential oils companies to see Which Company has the Best Oils. I am no longer a Young Living rep., nor do I recommend them. Read the whole series to find out why.

Since then, the Thieves oil has cured a bunch of ailments for both myself and others whom I’ve shared it with:

Fingernail Infection

I used to be really prone to these – getting an infection just after something jabbed me under my fingernail (for one of them about 5 years ago, I ended up needing antibiotics since it got really nasty).  I hadn’t gotten them for awhile, but did about 5 months ago.

Colloidal silver and peroxide wouldn’t do anything, so I thought about the Thieves.  I stuck a little (straight – I wanted it to be strong and didn’t care if it stung) on another clean fingernail, pushed it into the injured area – and a few days and several treatments later, the infection was gone.

Herpes Sores on Lips

One night, while we were out, my son complained that his lip was sore.  He said he’d gotten bumped.  When we got home, however, there were 6-7 obvious herpes sores, filled with pus (sorry to be so descriptive.)

After doing research on oils and herpes sores, I ended up trying Thieves again, this time mixed 1:1 with olive oil.

The next day, here is what his lip looked like. (I wish I’d thought to take a photo the first day.  Sigh.)

Herpes Cold Sores

There was no sign of the sores within 3 days.

Cystic Acne

I used to have a rough time with acne in my 20s but hadn’t really struggled with any skin issues but rosacea since then.  Suddenly, this past month, I started getting some small breakouts.  None of them really bothered me, however, until I got a large cystic breakout next to my cheek.

I used the Thieves mixed 1:1 with oil and overnight the cyst had shrunk noticeably.  Within 3 days it was gone.

Another reader shared that she’s used the Thieves on some underarm cysts / sores and they’ve vanished.

Sinus Infection

A local reader who is prone to sinus issues had a bad sinus infection again.  She ended up trying the Thieves orally, and all signs of the infection were gone overnight.

Persistent Illness with Fever

Another local reader’s son had a bad fever for several days that was had become worrisome.  She’d gotten an Rx for an antibiotic but really didn’t want to fill it (see my story about avoiding antibiotics).  She ended up trying the Thieves orally, along with an herbal supplement and said that the next day her son woke up and he was his old self again.

The Thieves Story

Thieves oil was apparently developed from historical information about four thieves in France who would rob victims of the Black Plague (get it–stealing things off of dead bodies.  Ick.)

They’d protect themselves from the plague with a secret recipe of natural ingredients including cloves and rosemary. The thieves were captured and given a lighter sentence in exchange for their recipe. And it really works. This particular blend by YL has apparently been university tested and shown to be effective against airborne bacteria, however…..

(UPDATE – April 2013):  I ended up looking into this claim more.  It appears to me that the testing was just on Eucalyptus and I never received a response back from Young Living about this.)  Anyway, I’m now a skeptic turned believer, at least as far as the oils working go.

Essential Oils can be a very valid part of your natural medicine cabinet. I’ll fill you in on more in my next post on essential oils where I’ll talk about Peppermint, Wintergreen and other oils and my experience with them. And I really don’t mean this to be a commercial.  I am just so floored by my experience with them that I feel compelled to share (some things are just too good to keep to yourself!)

Money Stuff

So – how do essential oils fit into a “financially concerned” household? Well, my cost for a 250 drop bottle of Thieves is $31.75 (well, less if I get freebies and discounts offered to distributors that month.

And when someone gets sick, we don’t go through a whole bottle.  It’s a whole lot cheaper than the gas (whoa – $4 per gallon?!) and copay and maybe an antibiotic on top of it.  And we all know there is more than up-front finances involved with antibiotics and other meds, right? Oh – and by the way, I know that there is some “bad press” about Young Living on the web.

I’ve checked that out too and still am working on it to see what I think.

NEW INFORMATION:   After I had been using essential oils for awhile, I ended up evaluating a BUNCH of oils companies as a whole lot more information surfaced.  Come and find out which company is “best.” You can jump ahead to the final post here.  I ended up not being so thrilled with the freebies and discounts that I mentioned above.  Read more in this post – Young Living and doTERRA Review).

Please share your thoughts on and questions about essential oils.

This post is for entertainment purposes only and is not to be used as medical advice as I am not a physician, nor do I pretend to be one. Please consult with your physician prior to using any kind of natural remedy or supplement.  Thank you.

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  1. I would never take any essential oils internally but young living. Sacred Frankincense saved my life. The YL oils are the purest I have ever come across.

    • Tara, how did sacred frankincense save your life? What else were you doing or taking that might have helped?

  2. Great website. I also use Thieves oil. Awesome product

  3. Okay, my husband is really hesitant to try EO’s. We don’t have the money to just throw into getting what may or may not work. With that being said what are some MUST have oils that we could start with basically as a test to see what does work and whats basically a band wagon gimmick?

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  5. http://essentialsurvival.org/young-living-vs-doterra…/

    Complete 3rd party testing of 12 essential oil companies, and the results. Links provided. This is a total eye opener for me.

  6. Calling yourself a skeptic is an insult to skeptics.
    “I got a small sample from a local woman, but it wasn’t enough to deal with my problem.” — Oh, so it didn’t work?

    “Three days after I started taking the oil (I took 5 drops, followed by a “gulp” of water, up to 5 times per day) –I was better.” — Oh, 3 days later! And there’s not way a cold would clear itself up in that time.

    • I’m sorry Brian, but I do think that you misread the post. Maybe I can clear things up a bit:

      1. The lady gave me about 5 drops. I think it was way way too much to do almost anything internally. When I finally got more of the Thieves I took about 5 drops 3 times per day.

      2. If you go back and read, I was sick for a very very long time when I tried the Thieves Oil. I had tried EVERYTHING and couldn’t shake it. So yes, I was a new “believer”.

      I hope that explains things further.

  7. I used Young Living oils, and yes was a distributor so I could purchase for less. They are steam distilled and not extracted with chemicals with only a few exceptions for products that cannot be extracted with steam. Every single oil I got worked as advertised and I have used thieves for infections, toothache and gum infections. Love it and them! Can it be pricey? Comparatively, NO. You don’t quality rose oil for 3 dollars an ounce. Worth every penny.

  8. Hi All! I am new to Essential Oils. I was wondering if someone could help me and give me some information on it. I am looking to purchase oils that would be effective for my childs cough and ear aches. Thanks so much!

  9. i have just gotten into essential oils and i was wondering what oil you used for the herpes cold sore on your sons mouth? my husband gets cold sores all the time and i do from time to time but his last for months and nothing not even rx will get rid of them…you said you mixed it with olive oil?

  10. You misrepresent the eucalyptus study you link to. It had nothing to do with airborne toxins. It was about topical fungus treatment. Do you even read what you link to? Then again…

    “The information here is for entertainment purposes only.”

    • HI and sorry for the delay – I am swamped here. I am not sure why you think that I misrepresent it. I did read it. I linked to it to show that the study wasn’t done on YL’s Thieves but just on eucalyptus only. I can’t find the Thieves brochure now so I don’t remember if they said it was airborne or not. The issue for me wasn’t airborne or no but that the study wasn’t done on Thieves. Thank you.

  11. I was also skeptical as I’ve never been a health freak like most of my friends who are vegans and all that stuff (probably why I was turned off to all of it – too much of them condemning my lifestyle?) but all that changed when my wife’s aunt gave me a bottle of YL Thieves during a particularly nasty flu. I was cleared up in two days – nothing like that had EVER happened to me. Now I threw out the medicines … I try to go herbal as much as possible and guess what? -Life is so much better!
    -Guess my friends were right after all!

  12. I’m a huge fan of Thieves oil from Young Living myself, but I think everyone needs to do their own research. I think you’ve done a great job in sharing your experience with essential oils, and hopefully more people will begin to use them over conventional medication whenever possible.

  13. Joseph Carlson says:

    Under “MONEY STUFF”, you claim this is “a whole lot cheaper than gas (whoa-$4 per gallon?!)”. Thieves costs $44.41 per HALF OUNCE. That equates to $11,369 per gallon. Cheaper than gas? Not exactly.

    • Hi there. I don’t think you read the whole sentence. I wrote: “Well, my cost for a 250 drop bottle is $31.75 (well, less if I get freebies and discounts offered to distributors that month). And when someone gets sick, we don’t go through a whole bottle. It’s a whole lot cheaper than the gas (whoa – $4 per gallon?!) and copay and maybe an antibiotic on top of it. And we all know there is more than up-front finances involved with antibiotics and other meds, right?”

      My copay is $30 and the gas to the doc plus wear on the car plus my time – I would much rather buy the bottle of Thieves (but I don’t use that company’s oils anymore) that I can use for a long time.

      Hope that helps. Here is a link to a way to make your own Thieves oil. http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/homemade-anti-bacterial-thieves-essential-oil-blend/

  14. Hi my brother was diagnosed with cerebral palm, I found out about Youngliving EO not a while ago,I’m searching answers and recipes for help my little brother he a now 27 I’m mean not little any more but to me he is my baby brother. I found few recipe on desk reference 5 edition but unfortunately the recipe sad use conzy oil which I called YL customer service and they told me that book is last edition and they can’t give me any info about conzy oil which by the way the don’t sell any more, but 5 edition relies 2011,if any info or suggestion I will be humble appreciated, want to help him so much you have no idea what pain hi is having everyday

  15. I just got introduced to an essential oil company called doTerra, they are popular out west and I am starting to sell the products, big believer in the essential oils! My son had a lot of your same symptoms and it turned out that he had Lyme Disease, we found a man that makes his own blend of essential oils to help as a natural antibiotic, a blend of oregano oil, cinnamon bark and other ingredients, after he took 1 yr of antibiotics which destroyed he adrenal system. This man also makes his own adrenal support vitamins and recommends a whole series of vitamins to help support the body’s system to fight the Lyme Disease, and almost three months into to this, he is finally feeling better:) What do you think about doTerra?

  16. jennifer says:

    These YL oils are wonderful. I have been using them for years and stopped for a while. i will never go without them again. ?They are life changing and healing to great levels. I have not entertained the business side and have just signed up as a distributor to get the discounts, however anytime i can share how amazing these oils are, i feel the obligation to do so. have a blessed day.

  17. Hi everyone! I wanted to share my experience with essential oils with you. I have tried many different brands before I came across Young Living essential oils. At first it was more about saving money, but after a while of not getting any results I decided to try out the good stuff. Yes, I am talking about YL(Young Living) lol. Their oils have helped me with both anxiety and depression. If you do all your homework you will learn a lot about YL. They are not just pure essential oils. A lot of time and work is packed into each one of their bottles. The distilling process that they use is done just right also. That is a huge key to a good product. I personally think the only down fall are their prices. Who wouldn’t rather pay $5 for an essential oil? The truth is you get what you pay for? That goes for many things in life. Im a mother and not a wealthy person, so saving cash is very important to me. However, my health is above that. Which is why I chose to take a leap in becoming a wholesale member with YL. Funny part is I went the wholesale route over the retail route for one reason….24% less costs. Who doesnt want to save money these days? After a short time I learned much more about the company and many of their oils. Now I share all my knowledge on FB and hopes to help others find alternative medicine routes. If you decide you want to buy from YL, don’t pass up the 24% discount. There are no crazy catches and all you need is an employer/sponsor ID. I am more than happy to share mine with you! Than if you have any questions as your sponsor I am more than happy to assist you. 1917152 P.S. remember these oils sell themselves. They are just that good. God bless!

  18. Thanks for info on Thives recipe

  19. I am a pharmacist who much prefers the natural way of healing. I’ve been a distributor for YL for 15 years and would go with out eating before doing without my YL oils and supplements. I would never use anything less than Grade A, therapeutic grade oils or suggest them to my clients. The one company that could possibly come close is a group of disgruntled employees of YL using the 20 years worth of knowledge from Gary Young to copy and make “like” products. The price for Young Living products is worth every penny. Don’t think for a minute that if you buy “no name” products that you aren’t paying a profit to someone…..that’s how capitalism works. To add, Young Living has every batch of oils independently tested for purity and quality. Oils that aren’t up to par are sold off to companies that sell less than Grade A products. Besides Frankincense being my primary oil of choice, Thieves naturally comes second. It is a GREAT product. Great comments given!
    My humble post.

    • Hi there. Sorry for the delay – I’ve been backed up and trying to catch up. I am glad you found a company you like. I will assert that Native American Nutritionals’ oils are therapeutic grade and I am very comfortable using them and recommending them. Thanks!

  20. Dr Lavenial Ballinger says:

    I have found that both Doterra and Young Living have helped my family and myself; At first I didn’t now how to use them but found that they both contain some very helpful remedies for a variety of things.
    From a novice

  21. Since it worked for the Plague so well, I was just thinking, Maybe the CBC should just consider trying to see if it effects Ebola. Just a thought.

    Debbie

    • Im sorry, I was reffering to the Anti-bacterial Thieves. It sounds amazing. Ive been hearing about Eboala and it scares me to death. Thats why I was thinking about how deadly the Plague was, if maybe it would help anyone that catches Eboala.

    • I am not sure if it really did work during the plague but I know the FDA has silenced bloggers for insinuating that oils could cure Ebola. I know of one blogger whose whole site was shut down :(.

  22. First time on your site…..haven’t read everything lol, but I thought I’d add my 2 cents concerning essential oils after reading that you’ve taken these oils internally.

    First, with the exception of a very few, essential oils should not be used neat (i.e. directly on the skin) and second, essential oils should NEVER be ingested. There are exceptions to this rule, but unless you’re a licensed Aromatherapist and/or Natural Healthcare Practitioner, you should not be ingesting these oils unless under the care of one of these professionals. For example, some oils are an abortifacients and neurotoxins (can cause miscarriages and organ damage). I wouldn’t trust any company, especially YL, that says their oils are safe to take internally. If this is what they are advocating, then they are doing their customers a disservice. Consuming essential oils should only take place under the direct supervision of a healthcare professional plain and simply.

    • Hi there. Thanks for commenting. Yeah, there’s a lot to read :).

      This is a very common comment I’ve seen around the internet. Certified aromatherapists can be a valuable resource. And so are those who have spent a lot of effort researching for themselves. Saying that only a certified aromatherapist can tell you to ingest oils implies that having it come from a certified aromatherapist makes it a magical solution. But ingesting the oils on your own direction, which might even be in the same way a certified aromatherapist tells you to ingest them, will not work because the certified aromatherapist didn’t give it the stamp of approval. I’m always suspicious when I hear someone say “Only ______________ can say ___________.”

      Fortunately, there are 3 ways to use essential oils — ingestion, topical, and diffusion. The more people study on their own, from multiple sources, the better it is for them. Granted, many legitimate sources are going to disagree. Doctors often disagree as well. So you should always read up on why and learn what you can and ultimately, you are the one deciding what, where, and how to use your essential oils. You shouldn’t be a sheep, no matter what side you’re on.

      People have been ingesting essential oils for a few decades so I don’t think it’s a fad. However, the idea that you must be a certified aromatherapist to give any sort of advice on essential oils is much newer than the issue of ingestion. As far as ingesting essential oils goes, we say if you want to ingest essential oils, start slowly. Find out what works for your own personal body chemistry.Some people like to have it in their water. If so, keep it 1-2 drops in 12 ounces of water. Some would rather ingest it with a capsule. Then you put 1-2 drops in a gel capsule with Olive oil and ingest with a full meal.

      Ultimately, people need to educate themselves and not spout off what they heard someone else say — whether it be a certified aromatherapist, a sales rep for a company, or anyone in between. Maybe when they are done researching, they will agree with what they heard the certified aromatherapist say. Maybe they will find they disagree. But then they will have the research to understand what they are saying and that’s what matters the most.

      I hope this helps. Thanks! Of course, this is not medical advice. Please consult w/ your physician prior to using supplements or essential oils. I know that seems odd for me to write this considering the circumstances but….. I have to – thanks again!

  23. Autism cannot be cured. Period. But I love essential oils and use them for everything.

    • Hi Aubrey- I’m not sure why you mentioned this, but I have heard of autism being cured — many times. I think it’s hard and not typical but it can be done. May I ask why you think that?

  24. I am brand new to all the EO stuff and I struggle with migraines extrememly often and I am looking for something to help since prescribed meds aren’t doing much. I literally know nothing about the oils. Can someone point me in the right direction where to start? I am reading a lot of “Don’t trust _____ Oils and Do trust ______Oils!” So it can be overwhelming.

  25. I am sorry but there is NOT one essential oil that can cure anything. The oils are able to relieve the symptoms but, not cure anything. There is nothing in medicine that can cure anything. Young Living Oils are one of the best oils out there. I did my research before I started, and trust me I didn’t believe that this would work. But it did! Making them yourself doesn’t mean you have the seed to seal quality like Living Young offers.

    • I have head of folks feeling like things were cured or resolved but one needs to be really careful w/ the terminology used these days. Have you not heard of something like that? I think that it would be really tough to make oils b/c of all the raw materials one would need.

  26. I just wanted to drop a line to say THANK YOU for this post. I was researching aromatherapy as a way to calm my daughters anxiety issues when it came to her math homework. I soon learned the aromatherapy world is huge when I started my quest and I was at a crossroads when it came to finding the “right one”. That is, UNTIL, I came across this…. So THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU from the bottom of this mothers heart!!

  27. I ordered them today through the link on your blog. I decided on “Guardian”, “Purify” for cold and flu season coming, and “Brainstorm”. Also I went with your advice on the diffuser through Amazon. I am going to start with those three for now and hopefully extend my collection. Hoping they help!!

  28. It was the ZAQ Noor Litemist diffuser. I tried getting the Home Aroma Cloud, but like you said they were out of stock. So I went with the one from Amazon. When it breaks I will switch over. :)

  29. I am hoping not too but if it does, it does and I get a new one!! :)

  30. I’ve tried YL for a little while. Taking a couple of the citrus to curb my weight caused ulcer type effect. A few drops in a gallon of water. Because of the price and no need for internal use other companies have good oils as well. I like to find good information.. I’ve bought from MRH to mix my own Thieves blend. They had a blog on the matter. This outside of YL really helped.. Among hours of research. Lea Harris has done three types of oil testing from a pro lab. from a 3rd party.

    • Hi there. Sorry about your ulcer! That’s no fun. I have a diy thieves as well that I am diffusing currently.

      I read Lea’s work. I don’t like how she had the tests funded. She stood (and has) to benefit greatly from the resulting posts and funded it on the back of readers and other bloggers – not right in my eyes. There is also room for a lot of error due to her washing the bottles out.

      And she tested the wrong oil and then claimed that NAN’s oil was non compliant. Anyhow, I think there is some good material there, but not without its problems.

      here you go: http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/homemade-anti-bacterial-thieves-essential-oil-blend/ :)

  31. What sold me on Young LIVING OILS… not only the fact that they are the best, NON- GMO Organic from Seed to seal…
    the final decision was integrity…
    Young Living has in their terms and conditions agreement that distributors are forbidden to talk negatively about doTerra or any other oil company…
    and
    My friend In Canada told me she was paid $1000. to leave young living and sign with Terra…
    I signed with Young Living Oils and Love it !!!
    Love & Blessings to all…
    Remember when it’s cheaper to be sure it is therapeutic grade and NON GMO.
    yes, it really matters…

    • Hi there. I know about those claims. But really what YL says is that they go beyond organic. I understand that as well. Native American and Rocky Mountain list each oil according to how it was grown – organic or wild crafted, etc. I like that transparency.

      Perhaps you didn’t see this post? http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/toxic-overload-health-concerns/essential-oils-testing-is-it-reliable/

      Not trying to convince you – but just interacting and responding to what you wrote – hope to hear from you again and glad you found a place you are happy with :).

    • Therapeutic grade is a term that Young Living made up. If you see on their bottle of says Certified Therapitic Grade with a TM above it. They trade marked that term. There is not governing body that makes EOs “Therapitic grade” be careful of the marketing tactics!

      • Hi there, Gretchen,

        Yes, you are correct that Young Living made up a term and that other companies make up terms as well. However, sometimes other companies do say things like “therapeutic grade” simply to indicate that the essential oils are not for fragrance use and are higher quality. Just something to know that it isn’t always a company trying to state that theirs is the only “good oil” out there.

        Hope that helps.

  32. Charles Crapotta says:

    Excuse me, but antibiotics are no more foreign to the human organism than any essential oil. They can save lives when used properly. They have gotten a bad reputation because of overuse by family physicians in particular…I have personally seen this repeatedly.
    They should not be dumped into the toilet or end up in the human food chain.
    There is nothing to dread, except people acting without common sense, both those to are in a position to administer them and those who may receive them. Americans are regularly declaring war on something, but anitbitiotics need not be on the hate list. Please, no more hysteria.

    • Hi there. Of course they can save lives. The issue is that, according to my understanding, antibiotics kill good and bad bacteria, which is where the problem comes in. Whereas essential oils and whether or not they kill good bacteria is up for debate. So I think it’s a totally different thing. Additionally, bacteria do not mutate by exposure to antibiotics. I am sure there are other issues that make antibiotics not as desirable as essential oils, but that is the beginning.

      It isn’t hysteria and for sure you must have heard that there are tons of antibiotic-resistant bugs now that are spreading, like MRSA and c-diff. This is a big deal and the overuse of antibiotics is at the forefront for as to why this has happened. If people would look elsewhere unless absolutely necessary, our bodies and guts would be stronger and the “bad bugs” would be weaker.

      Of course, you know that a common side effect of antibiotics use is diarrhea and so it is clear that using oral antibiotics causes gut dysfunction.

      Thanks for commenting but I am sorry that I don’t agree with you.

  33. Hi! Thank you for this!! I’m new to the EO world, but have been interested in learning more about it for quite some time, but it’s hard with the info you find on the Internet…
    So, you aren’t necessarily saying you dislike YL, just that I could get the same oils cheaper, elsewhere? YL is exciting to me because they give the samples and info packets along with the diffuser, etc..
    What is your advice for a new mom, who doesn’t vaccinate, is pregnant with #2, and looking for more holistic ways of immunity boosters/treatments? Thank you!!!

  34. immunity boosters are a huge concern of mine; my son is a terrible eater and no longer nurses, so I’m looking for a more natural immunity boost, definitely. YL told me theives in a diffuser, but I’m just trying to find the best oils for our budget. Thanks!

  35. Well it seems that the Young Living method helped all your aliments…but somehow the money thing didn’t fit your pocket…..Well the sales for Young Living is off the charts Lady! Young Living is obviously doing something right if they can’t keep their merchandise on the shelves and by the way they are always “Out of stock” on Theives! I have been using for years cured my children of strep throat, pink eye and various other viruses…..YES I have SORRY TO EVERYONE SKEPTICAL…JUST LIKE I BELIEVE IN ANGELS AND JESUS…! Just remember when the world ends who you answer to! Its not me….LOL

    • Hi there. No, there was more than the money thing. I mentioned several issues that I had.

      I am glad you are happy with them but just because something is selling well doesn’t mean it’s the best or that it’s even good for you. I am not making these claims about Young Living, but there are tons of food products in the country that sell really well but are actually killing us.

      So anyhow, just to set the record straight I decided I needed to look around at other companies and found things that I liked much better than Young Living. Thanks for commenting though – much appreciated :).

      I do not quite understand what you mean about “when the world ends who you answer to” – do you mean that you think we are going to answer to God for what essential oil we use? Thanks in advance.

  36. Elisha Reese says:

    It’s comical that you say on this post “I went on a hunt to get some since finally, a person who didn’t stand to gain from my purchase was recommending it.” What is so funny is that the company you recommend now is one that you GAIN FINANCIALLY from when people purchase from the links on your blog. So isn’t it that the real reason you no longer recommend Young Living is not because of the quality of oils but that you couldn’t make as money from them as you do the oil company you now recommend. Such a hypocrite.

    • Hi Elisha.

      It isn’t comical, actually. I had a big “anti direct marketing” stance b/c I had been approached by some in that kind of line of business so many times and I felt that they used friendships to get money — or that if you weren’t on board w/ their product then you couldn’t have a relationship with them. So I was really opposed to them and didn’t have an open mind that a product could still be good. I thought it was likely all hype.

      So it was my own prejudice about the product that got in the way.

      When I found Native American Nutritionals and Rocky Mountain Oils, I was being told by doTERRA reps that I could market the oils and make about $8000 per month on my blog. It was really hard to walk away from that kind of temptation but I just couldn’t do it. After I chose Native American I asked the owner if there was some way we could work together. I was their first affiliate. And I told them in no uncertain terms that I would not recommend them if I found something that was a problem.

      I am so pleased with them.

      I hope that clarifies the situation for you – perhaps I should add some of that to the post if it isn’t clear enough. I wish I had a tape recording of the conversations between my husband and I as we wrestled with this. He told me to leave the MLMs and I did. Thanks and I hope that you can see more clearly why I decided what I did.

  37. Joseph Wyckoff says:

    Please, please, don’t call yourself a skeptic. For REAL scientific, skeptical analysis of these claims (not made by someone with a crappy website overrun with ads) check out this article. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/

    • Hi Joseph. I can and do call myself a skeptic and will continue to do so but I always am welcome to folks challenging me. Well, depends on the day, and such, of course. Here is the definition of skeptic by Merriam Webster: “a person who questions or doubts something (such as a claim or statement) : a person who often questions or doubts things”

      Yes, I doubt many things. And sometimes go overboard second guessing and such. I had heard about Young Living and essential oils for YEARS before I finally tried them. So I don’t know why you think I don’t meet that definition. The article you referred to is problematic on several fronts. I can’t go into all of them now, but it states

      “There’s Hardly Any Science Behind Essential Oils…. The published evidence is sparse to nonexistent. There are clinical studies to support a few of the recommended uses, but they are generally poorly designed, uncontrolled, and unconvincing. Research is difficult, because patients can’t be blinded to the odors, and mental associations and relaxation could account for most of the observed effects.”

      There is a reason why there are not a bunch of good clinical studies on essential oils. It’s because they aren’t patentable. Monsanto is doing its best to patent naturally occurring products for their own profit but it’s pathetic at best and sinister at worst.

      You know that companies put money into research b/c they think they can get money so they don’t do it for natural products like essential oils.

      As for your calling my site a “crappy website overrun with ads” I take offense at that.

      I do not have a “crappy website” – and that’s just plain rude. I have worked for years on this and it has almost 15,000 subscribers and I — well, over half a million people per month read this and I assume disagree with you or the numbers wouldn’t be climbing. I love helping people figure out how to live healthier lives without breaking their budget as I have had to do that myself.

      As for the “overrun with ads” – I just got a new ad management company and we’ve been playing with different options. There is a real balance between having too many ads and making enough money to justify the amount of time one spends working on a blog. I spend so much time doing this that I do need it to not be for free. My family and outside life keeps me very busy so I have to earn a decent income doing this.

      I do wish if you have constructive criticism to make in the future that you could do so without making crass insulting comments. Just because it’s the internet there are real people on the other end of the screen.

      Thanks again for commenting and if you have any responses I am happy to hear them.

      • frankie fox says:

        Why are you so holier – than – thou and snotty to people? Wow, I cannot believe the **** (expletive deleted) you hand out. initially, I was interested in reading your blog. Obviously you’re in it just to make money. Not to help anybody. Be real! People that really want to help don’t respond to people the way you do. Anybody that is a little bit skeptical, you just jump out and bite them. Also, I have used Young Living Oils. Their stuff is great! I don’t need to get paid to say it.

        • Hi Frankie.

          Well, I am a little taken aback by your comment. I find it ironic that you would call me “holier than thou” and then use profanity in your comment. The truth is I am not just “in it…to make money.” I left doTERRA and Young Living even though I had a bunch of reps under me at Young Living and I was told that I could make $8,000 per month with doTERRA. It was hard to walk away but I did.

          If you have a specific comment that you think was inappropriate in the way that I responded to someone I would appreciate your pointing it out specifically instead of just making a blanket statement. I have had numerous readers comment that they really appreciate the way that I handle folks who are rude to me, so I don’t know what the justification is for you saying that I “just jump out and bite them”.

          There are plenty of companies and products that I recommend without getting paid. You can see this post for an example. http://wholenewmom.com/reaching-out/is-costcos-coconut-oil-junk-or-the-real-deal/

          I would appreciate hearing about your specific concerns and am happy to respond to them.

          Thanks.

          • Irish Don says:

            Frankie

            Lighten up a bit… Do you honestly think that someone is going to put up a website, blog on it about therapy, without some sort of payback.

            The bottom line here is this : Do you believe in essential oils, if yes then find the best and purest you can find and read-up on the net before taking them. If not then move on.

            If you believe that oils can help people then put your energy into slating the people who who dilute the oils to the point where they are about as beneficial as pepsi, thus giving the oldest cures known to mankind a bad.name.

            Even a dog or cat will turn to nature when unwell.

            The big issue here is not a guy making a buck blogging to promote oils, its the guy who is passing off highly dituted ‘oils’ as pure.

            Don

            • Hi Don. Thanks much. And my dad is from Dublin so doubly nice to “meet” you.

              I do, however, write about some companies without benefit and that’s just the way it goes. But if I can get paid I will. I spend a ton of time doing this and need to get paid – plus I donate quite a bit to charity and plan to continue doing that :).

              Take care.

  38. Debbie Rivera says:

    Hello again Adrienne
    I’m sorry to ask but again with the
    Theives. How is it used for the flu and different sicknesses? It’s very late at night and on this site. It’s the first I’ve read about these amazing herbs. And I love this site and your info. Just ignore the snotty remarks and rudeness. And Thank you

  39. Just another blogger making money from advertisers, this is why she uses such attention grabbing headlines. Wake up people, this woman is out to make money so it makes one question the sincerity of her blog.

    • Hi Brenda.

      I am sorry you feel this way. I would like to clarify something. All bloggers make money from advertisers, whether in the form of ads, paid sponsorships, or affiliate programs. They may not make money on all of the products that they recommend, but they do for almost all. Otherwise, they couldn’t afford to keep blogging. The only other alternative would be a blogger who makes money from speaking engagements or the selling of their own products, but typically bloggers will attempt to have a mix of both so that if one income source “dies” or decreases, they can still afford to keep blogging.

      I spend a bunch of money just to run the blog, and I spend a lot of time on it. I think it’s totally fine for people to be paid for their work.

      As for the headlines, I have been told by many bloggers that I am very good at writing ones that are attention grabbing without being misleadingly sensationalist. I also am careful to back up my writing with good research and I don’t just write things to get page views. I really thought oils were scam, but found out that they weren’t.

      And I assume you noticed that I left Young Living (where I had a bunch of reps under me) to go with a company that didn’t even have an affiliate program when I started talking to them. It was risky but I had to do the right thing. You can read more about that here: http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/natural-remedies/the-great-essential-oils-showdown-in-search-of-the-best-essential-oils/

      I hope that helps you see where I am coming from. Thanks much. Happy to address any other concerns that you might have.

  40. Adrienne, HI!

    Thank you for this post and I had a question about the YL finances.

    Their offer of 10% off “rewards program” if you keep buying at least $50 per month – is that an excessive amount of oil for one person?

    Seems like more of a benefit to the company rather than the consumer financially. Your thoughts?

    • Hi. I think it’s too much. Evidence of that is the amount of oils I sold when I left them and doTERRA. I think that I haven’t ordered oils for about 1.5 years maybe. I did order a lot, but still. I am about to order more and it will be a lot. I would have to look up my receipt to see how much it was, but it looks like it was about 19 bottles in Aug of 2013. So that gives you an idea. I still have quite a few left but I ran out of some of the ones I use the most often.

    • $50 a month is not too much at all! You can spend $50 or more on one oil alone. I share my oils with my family and friends all the time and use them daily myself, so it’s not too much at all. If you haven’t bought oils since Aug of 2013 then you aren’t using them. Plus there are so many other products that Young Living offers besides the oils. I no longer use OTC drugs, supplements, prescriptions or many conventional dental and cleaning products. Young Living offers superior options. The 10% discount offer turns to 15% after six months, then 20% after a year! What other company offers that? I’ve used my points to get FREE product every month now. I’m at a 15% discount rate now, and often there are monthly incentives to get more of a discount. I find the ER program highly worth it.

      • Hi Katy. I mentioned that I purchased about 19 bottles at that time, which I think is a lot. I do use them — just not all the time and when there is a lower cost option I will do that. For example, I would never use lemon essential oil to remove a label off of a jar, which I see many oil reps advocating. Soaking the jar in water and using a rag and elbow grease is a much more cost effective option. I hope that explains things.

        As for the pricing, I just looked at YL’s price list. I am not sure what discount this is, but their wholesale price list has helichrysum for $83.75 for 5 ml and NAN’s price is $80. YL’s Frankincense is $71.75 and NAN’s is $65, so I still think it is a better options for price. If you have more information please share. Thanks!

  41. Thank you for the article and so much research! I have Thieves blend too but find that it really burns my skin if applied directly. Soooo, I am careful with it.
    Recently I started using it on my toenails (yes, got infection after a few pedicures), nails seem to be looking better already.
    I do tend to get sinus and ear infection easily. What would be a save way to start taking it orally? Thank you.

  42. Danyelle King says:

    Thieves oil is supposed to be diluted with a carrier oil and NOT olive oil !! YLEO has a carrier oil for this specific reason. Thieves is also a warming oil. The safest way to use this as I have found is on the tops of your feet if you do not have the carrier oil from YLEO. The safest way to ingest is with gel capsules that you can also buy from YLEO and put a few drops into the capsule, put it back together and then take it with water. The results are amazing :)

    • Hi there. This is from NAN / RMO about carrier oils: (please note that this isn’t medical advice. please consult w/ your physician before using any essential oils.)

      Olive oil is a fine substitute in a pinch. We all have plenty of it at home. It mixes well with oil.

      I wouldn’t rely on olive oil as a carrier oil though. I would use it as a backup or emergency carrier oil. Also if you have a healthy kitchen you might have some stuff in the House already that would be better. For example grapeseed oil.

      Keep in mind that olive oil has a high-ish fat content which is why it’s thicker. Especially extra virgin olive oil. This is better for cooking but rubbing fat into your skin on a daily basis is not the best idea. Again it works in a pinch but I wouldn’t rely on it for a daily eo routine.

      Still no problem using it. I have used olive oil on myself before. There’s no problem with it. But I wouldn’t rely on it for everyday use. In that case I’d invest in some FCO.

      FCO really is the best or jojoba. Jojoba (pronounced yo-ho-buh) is more expensive but has some benefits for the skin.

      FCO is great because it has an indefinite shelf life (good for when your mixing a blend to use later), it is odorless, flavorless, and doesn’t interact with other essential oils. Because it’s an oil it will mix well (unlike water). It also has all the fat taken (that’s what the “fractionated” part means) out which means it absorbs well into your skin without putting fat into your pores.

      So it’s definitely the best universal carrier oil. Now advanced eo users might want to invest in more carrier oils. Each carrier has its own pros and cons. But FCO is the most universal. So it’s the “go-to” for most people.

      No problem using olive oil. We have all had to use it. But it’s a less ideal solution. So I would have her add FCO to her next order and use olive oil in the meantime.

      For sensitive people or using hot oils you are better off using olive oil as a carrier oil with your essential oils than going without :-)

  43. Thank you for all of the great articles on essential oils. I am new to using them, so have been looking for good resources and information, from people who really use them. Do you have a recommendation for a good book that tells how to use them? I find that I spend way too much time searching on-line, and wondered if their was a good book that might be useful. Thanks again for sharing what you know!

  44. Thank you so much for all of your research! I’m new to using essential oils (I was most certainly a skeptic for a long time) and although I did some research prior to purchasing, as a full time working mother of 2 small children, my research was in no way as thorough as yours!! I became a YL wholesale member for the price only and will be switching to NAN :) I wanted to see if you had thoughts on this – my whole family has been drinking 1-2 oz of YL Ningxia Red daily. It seems to have really helped my 5 yr old’s chronic constipation and none of us have been sick in months despite the flu running rampant here in Central PA! I was curious if you had done any research into this product? Or know of any good references? I’m aware that us escaping the flu and drinking the NR could be coincidental but wanted your thoughts. Also, if that is something you do feel is beneficial, is there any NAN product that would be similar? I know how busy you are and appreciate any response when you’re able. xoxo

    • Hi there and thanks for sharing. I used to live in PA and was in the central part on and off for various reasons including being the manager of our state championship HS sports team.

      I did look into that product but thought it had too much sugar for my liking. I was more interested in another one that I saw but boy, was it expensive (like the NingXia). I really have no idea what I think. Another product I was looking at is Exfuse – nicer b/c it has lower sugar content, but I just couldn’t get past the price of shipping, etc.

      As for NAN or RMO having a similar product, they don’t have a juice – isn’t Ningxia just juice enhanced w/ EOs?? — but they do have Defense which would be comparable as far as what you are hoping to achieve, but using a different means. There are some very interesting testimonials about it. Here’s a link (affiliate link) – I’d love to hear what you think. Thanks!

      I think your avoiding the flu could be anything. NingXia maybe. Maybe not. I have escaped being sick some times and other years I get everything. Sometimes I think it’s my adrenals and such – sometimes I hear it’s a bad sign for you to not get sick. I haven’t learned enough to have formed an opinion about it.

  45. Moniqwue Chenelle says:

    This is great Adrienne! I’m looking to go with an EO company and want to find one with a great product AND compensation plan. What is the compensation plan for NAN that you recommend?

    • Hi there, they do not offer a compensation plan. You just buy their oils as you buy most everything online. Sorry about that. I couldn’t find a direct sales oil company that I liked so I am doing other direct sales companies. Not because I think I have to do them but I found some that I like. Lilla Rose, ThriveLife, and Beautycounter. You might be interested in Beautycounter. They are really hitting a nerve and growing at about 23% per month. Here is a link to their mission. https://wholenewmom.beautycounter.com/our-story

  46. Stephanie P says:

    Hi. I’m new to EO and I’m interested in learning more. I suffer from anxiety really bad and wanted to see if there is an holistic approach when dealing with my anxiety before consulting a doctor. I anxiety usually occurs when giving presentations.

    • Hi there and welcome. There are so many oils that can possibly help. Here are the results of a search on Rocky Mountain’s site: http://bit.ly/1wWoM88 (affiliate link) and on Native American Nutritionals: http://bit.ly/1E3s3Q5 (again, affiliate link). I do think that personally I am being helped by following a healthier diet for me (no caffeine, no gluten, and no dairy or sugar) and even the AIP diet (you can see a little more in this post – there’s a good cookbook there for it) http://wholenewmom.com/whole-new-budget/black-friday-cyber-monday-2014/ The deal isn’t on anymore but the book is there.

      Also, this supplement has been great for me. http://amzn.to/1BtLlzB (also an affiliate link) and oat straw tea too. I hope that helps. Of course, none of this is medical advice. Please consult w/ your medical practitioner prior to adding any supplements or changing your diet or using essential oils :).

  47. Ultimately, what made you leave YL? Curious because they seem to be the one I see the most about?

  48. Lindsay Wagner says:

    I use Young Living because of their Seed to Seal promise. I love knowing where the items my family uses come from and that they are NOT outsourced. I just looked on NAN’s website and see nothing about how they get their oils. Can you tell me what you have found in all of your research into the different companies?

    Thanks!

  49. Sorry but I have to call you out. While I will agree that Young Living oils may not “cure” everything from my experience the oils I have used work! Theives oil has rid my bleeding gum problem. I’m not talking slight bleeding either. My wife pushed the oils on me. I was like, “sure. My dentist can’t help me but this snake oil will?” After a week of use my gums do not bleed after brushing and flossing.
    Melaleuca alternifolia is another oil that I have used that has worked very well. I had a strange bump on my face. I thought it was a pimple but it never cam to a head. It started looking like a boil and I was about to go to a dermatologist. Once again my wife telles me to use the before mentioned oil. Guess what? After three days the boil/zit thing was gone. Also used it on a bump on my neck. After four days it dried out and was gone.
    I believe the oils work on some and not on others. To claim they do not work at all isn’t fair. I was skeptical of the oils until I found they worked! Oh and I had a very bad cold I could not shake. Peppermint tea with lemon oil and peppermint oil twice a day over five days helped me rid the congestion and cough. The oils helped me shake the cold.
    Don’t believe everything you read. I can tell you the oils work. Nothing beats a doctors visit but I’m sold on these oils.
    Michael

  50. Andrea Clark says:

    I am concerned about the claim I have heard from a couple of Young Living Oil reps about Thieves hand sanitizer not having alcohol in it. Well, the first ingredient is Ethanol, which is alcohol! I asked one rep about this and she said that “it wasn’t like rubbing alcohol”. Well, when I looked up the ingredients in rubbing alcohol, it sounded a whole like ethanol or maybe the same thing. Something about being “denatured”, which is what Young Living claims, as well. Any thoughts?

  51. Kiersteb says:

    You want to cure your sons autism??? {expletive deleted by blog owner} Terrible

  52. rad {expletive deleted by blog owner} says:

    You are uneducated about oils. Young Living didn’t make you happy etc etc so you are out to get them. Well, guess what? They’re bigger than you’ll ever be

    • I don’t understand the logic of your comment. It is only full of insults. Typically when someone doesn’t have an argument to make they just hurl insults. Do you have something you would like to discuss? Thanks.

  53. I am not really sure what the purpose of your article is?? You seem to think that Thieves is a great product but you continue to say that you don’t like Young Living and not sure why.. This does not come across as information that we should pay attention to. It sounds angry for a reason we cannot decifer. Clarify if you can. Thanks

  54. Hugh Betcha :) says:

    Your article is very confusing and reads like a bad infomercial. I love them, I hate them, I love them but not ‘them’, here’s why I loved them, here’s why I don’t love them anymore, etc etc. Wow, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts. Please tell me you don’t write for a living? The multitude of links (some of which sound repetitive) scattered throughout your page make your page read and appear to be just like a bad scam-page of the early internet days….complete with your closing of if you act now you’ll receive my free guide to essential oils. Wow, did you also write a page on how to buy real estate with no money down? Your page reads like it. As for me, I came here as a result of an internet search to begin exploring the validity of essential oils and my search will continue since my impressions of your findings are very unreliable and seem to have a hidden agenda behind them. But, if you act now, I’ll throw in for free the 10 things that I disliked most about your article.

    • Hi there. Well, another fake email and fake name attached to someone who chooses to be mean.

      I know the post is confusing. I wrote the post on Thieves a long time ago and a bunch of big things changed so I wanted to update people. I had done just a few updates and people seemed to still be confused b/c I would get emails from people wondering about the post.

      And what’s wrong w/ offering a free guide to essential oils? I’m going to be selling it soon so it’s a good offer in my book. If you really think there’s a hidden agenda–sorry, there isn’t. Just an honest mom trying to find the best for her family without spending through the nose.

  55. So… do u like theives or not… i just started rubbing it on the bottoms of my feet..per instructions elsewhere… only 4 days and i have a cold.. but no releif… im not one to stick with something tgat doesnt magically work i 5 mins..sad face… so i guess i would like to know how long people use an oil before they feel better or see difference…

    • I like it personally for some things. I ended up taking mine internally for a bad cold, but that is only something I do with caution and I can’t medically advise that. I can’t tell if it works for me on my feet – sorry. Perhaps someone else can say – for some things I use oils and I see changes right away – other times I need to do something else.

  56. Your article would be much more believable if it wasn’t so obvious your entire agenda is to sell the oils. You think that by saying “I was once a skeptic” it adds to your credibility – because, why would someone that also questioned essential oils be lying about them – but it doesn’t. You’re so blatant in your attempt to “sympathize” with your readers, with things like “whoa gas is so expensive!” bit.

    If you want to talk about logic – stop using insults as a way to refute someone’s argument. Just because they used a fake name and/or email does not mean what they say is automatically invalid. There is no purpose to saying that unless you’re trying to subtly discredit them.

    Your entire article is filled with sales tactics. You try and put yourself at the same level as your audience, pretend you were once skeptical, just like your audience, and after you gained their bit of trust, you then tell them how great of a deal your oils are. Anyone with rudimentary critical thinking skills can see right through you, and anyone with the most basic knowledge in medicine will know how full of (expletive deleted by blog owner) you are. But hell, you aren’t targeting those, right? You’re targeting the suckers who will believe you’re just like them, and you’re doing this because you’re so nice and just want to help others who are in the same situation as you, right?

    • My agenda is not to sell the oils – it was to share my experience with others and tell them where I decided to buy mine. Of course, I need to pay the bills that it costs to run the blog, and all that, and get paid a fair wage, but I did not set out to “sell oils”.

      I’m not sure what you mean by my blatant attempt to sympathize w/ my readers.

      I also don’t think that I used any insults at all- -could you please correct me if I am wrong? Of course using a fake name doesn’t make what someone says invalid – I was just pointing out that folks who are insulting me (and other bloggers) tend to hide when doing so instead of owning their comments.

      I can’t convince you, perhaps, but I heard about oils for a long long time before I tried them. I guess I could put you in touch w/ the YL rep whom I got the oils from and she could recount the hours we spent on the phone while I asked her all kinds of questions about the oils and about Gary Young. I wore her out, I am sure.

      Sorry you feel this way about me, but you are wrong. If you have any other responses I am happy to answer them.

  57. Karen D. says:

    The research abstract you referenced about eucalyptus is not about “airborne bacteria.” It was testing done on superficial/skin fungal infections. Viruses can be airborne, but not typically bacteria. Fungus is a different classification of microorganism than bacteria or virus. It would be helpful if you would clarify your claims about various types of microorganisms in regards to the oils and their tested (beyond anecdotally)effects.

    • Hi there. I didn’t make a claim about eucalyptus – Young Living did. Were you stating that I did it? Thanks much.

      • Just sayin: We are happy with your skepticism. Wanted to add a comment that was supportive and grateful for your sharing your insights and experiences. Yay! Research!

  58. I agree with others your writing is a jumble of thoughts. If you are going to mock or disparage YL it should be for being a MLM that promises people they can make a living at selling oils with no education. Some of the worst people I have had the misfortune to run into are the people who buy into the myth of an MLM. YL is extremely overpriced as are all MLMs. There are many other high quality brands that you can buy at better health food stores that cost less than half of what YL wants for their oils. I prefer Simplers Botanicals certified organic essential oils.
    Lets get back to your writing on Thieves Oil. It did not and more importantly cannot protect anyone from yersinia pestis, i.e. the black death or black plaque. Yersinia Pestis is a bacteria, not a virus, that is transmitted by flea bites. Thieves oil would have to kill the vector, fleas, because the bacteria cannot survive outside a living organism. The idea of Thieves Oil is a myth that it saved anyone from the black death. This is biology 101.
    As for your other claims of treating sinus infections with miraculous curative properties, this again is not possible the way the person described it. Most sinus infections are nothing more than an allergic reaction combined with inflammation. It this was the case, then any combination of eucalyptus, and clove would have worked. These are the properties of those oils. As far as your anecdotal stories they are just that stories. Children have fevers for all sorts of reasons. The menthol in the eucalyptus could have cooled down the body so the apparent fever was longer present.
    Lastly your ignorance really shows with your anecdote about your fingernail infection. Fingernail infections are caused by a fungus. Colloidal silver and peroxide can not kill a fungus. The fact that you even mentioned silver tells me you do not know much about how the body works. Thieves Oil again has many of the oils that are naturally anti-fungal. This does not mean it is a miracle. All it means is that many people including you do not have a basic understanding of infectious agents and their treatments.
    My suggestion for you and everyone else responding to this post is to stop looking for miracles. There are no miracles there is only science. Also stop promoting the “Thieves oil miracle” to steal money from the gullible and the uneducated in order to sell a dubious product.

    • Hi Larry. Sorry you feel that way. In a sense, you are right. My writing of this post was a jumble – and it became moreso b/c I changed the post later so folks would know that I wasn’t w/ YL anymore. It was hard to figure out how to do that w/o ripping the post to shreds. Maybe you can read some other posts and tell me if you still think my writing is so terrible.

      I didn’t mock or disparage YL – I talked about why I left them. No mocking there at all.

      I didn’t state that Thieves stopped the Black Plague. I mentioned that YL said that and that that is floating around out there.

      As for your comment about the fever, yes, the eucalyptus maybe could have done that but the fever could just have been gone as well.

      I merely shared what helped. I didn’t state that I was looking for a miracle and I didn’t find one. I am trying to deal w/ health conditions naturally and allow the body to work on itself without turning to meds — as much as possible.

      As for the peroxide, perhaps you can look at this study and how they say that peroxide has antifungal qualities: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364421/

      I do think that you misinterpreted my writing. I am not saying that oils cure anything. Thanks and if you have further comments I am happy to reply as I have time.

  59. Ricky Ricardo says:

    Placebo effect.

    • I don’t think that could be the case, especially for me re: the essential oil blend b/c I really didn’t expect it to work. Thanks for commenting.

  60. I just read why you like a different company and everything and that’s fine, but I was a non believer in oils and bought some from many different companies to see the differences. Not one compared to Young Living. We tried Rocky Mountain and Native American also some from While Foods and not one compared to the healing of the same oil of Young Living. So, I’m glad yours is working for you, but I guess it’s not for everyone.

  61. Thank you for sharing your experience with Theives’ oil. I’ll also be sure to check out your article on why you no longer like Young Livings essential oils. I’m sure you have good reasoning behind it. It stinks that so many people are ready to jump you about a change of heart. Alot of people change their minds about things the more they learn about them.

  62. All I can say is, Thank you! Refreshing. MLM salespeople are literally nuts and ruining such a good idea. It really makes me ill to see them constantly dishing out what is essentially medical advice, claims, that this or that oil will fix a problem. It’s truly absurd. Granted, I’m not bashing the entire oil therapy…just those who use it at a marketing tool or are just too brainwashed to see they are being used as a tool. End rant. Enjoyed the read.

  63. Kathleen Marion says:

    I mix my own “thieves” oil using NOW brand oils and get the same results along with a combination of oils that doesn’t cost me an arm and a leg as well as getting a larger volume of product. I buy Rosemary, clove, lemongrass, cassia, & eucalyptus. I don’t worry too much about how many drops of this or that, just do a two part to one part ratio that works and gives me about 4 oz of mixed oil that lasts a long time. I mix some with olive oil to use on my skin. I’ve put a drop into a spray nasal bottle with colloidal silver and Himalayan salt to use as a throat and nasal spray (highly diluted with water). NOW brands is organic and high quality, I use many of their products, vitamins, etc with good results.

  64. it did nothing for me.

  65. Gloria Buchanan says:

    I’m a 75 year old female with a body full of pain from Arthritis, and some old injuries…I have had a patch of psoriasis on the bottom of my left foot for 15 years…no where else just there….my aunt told me to try the Thieves oil…I made my own with the carrier oil being Cocoanut oil….anyway I’ve been putting it on the bottom of both feet for about 2, or 3 weeks…..my pain level has doubled, and was wondering if there is such a thing as maybe the Thieves oil is trying to detox my body…please let me know…OH!!! and by the way the psoriasis has improved some & seems to be drying it up if nothing else….I don’t know how much longer I can handle all this pain, so I might have to stop the T oil unless u think it is doing a detox on my body & will get better soon.
    Thanks so much
    Glo

    • Gloria Buchanan says:

      Ok..I’ll wait to hear from u soon & will check my email often:):)

      • Sorry again for the delay – I just responded to you . Please email me at wholenewmom {at} gmail {dot} com and I can give you some more information. Take care.

    • Hi there. I am sorry for the delay – I have been swamped. I don’t know but if you are feeling worse I wouldn’t continue it. I am not a medical practitioner, of course and can’t give medical advice. I will say that my understanding is that arthritis and psoriasis are autoimmune disorders. I am on a new diet for autoimmune – and I can give you more information if you would like to email me at wholenewmom at gmail dot com. Also, I am starting on a new supplement that looks very promising as well. Hope to hear from you.

  66. Fran Rock says:

    I always thought of essential oils as no more than air freshener. I was desperate with chronic pain and tried it as a ” oh well no harm measure”. I have been amazed at the results, it has helped me and the most amazing thing is going on with my dad, he is diabetic and he developed gangrene on his toe. The textbook answer is amputation. I have been changing his dressing daily with sanitary disposable socks and cleaning it, applying a mixture of thieves, 3 wise men, tea tree, peace and calm, and pan away. I also added cinnamon from another company. the difference in a little over a week is amazing, the infection/necrotic tissue is separating from the healthy skin, and falling off. after a dead skin shell dropped off I could see that it was pink healthy skin in over 50% of what first appeared to be necrotic.. At this rate the damage is localized and drying falling off. I read an earlier post that mentioned using it undiluted, I had not considered this, My goal is to keep the infection from moving, and let it to leave his body and fall off like a scab leaving the unharmed area to heal. I am utterly amazed, later I found out that he is not tolerating the antibiotic and only took 2 pills since leaving the hospital nearly 2 weeks ago.,, the infection seems to be clearing and the surrounding skin looks 100% better. Of course I also believe in traditional medical science, he is going to get his white cell count to be sure its not worsening beneath. also if the specialist says its the same, my observations are confirmed. I am begging to believe it may be anle to stop it in its tracks. If its possible I want to spare him the loss of amputation., I dont know it can be done, but I insisted that they re asses the area before scheduling the surgery. I am not abandoning traditional medical science, just incorporating it in to his medical regime. I am just amazed at the results, now I wish I had tried this years ago, I dismissed it as useless air freshener , But I get it now, and it is working! Im trying not to get his or my hopes up so I dont say much about it directly too him. Wish us continued good fortune, figuring this out. Also is anyone has experience with improving and damage done to the short term memory from a stroke! He does not have alzheimers, its been ruled out and frustrates him makes taking his medicine confusing. Thank you for taking the time to read this and any helpful info would be greatly appreciated, I am a begginner at all of this but now Im a believer too trying to apply brand new skills . Thank you for sharing and be well Fran Sorry about all the misspelling I am exhausted rt now. a good way to contact me is email, (deleted by blog owner)

  67. bakeeta hill says:

    I’m looking for recipe to Put oil blend that will be good for a 7 year old border line asthma but his night cough is super bad would prefer natural oils to chemicals .also could be diluted down to help a 4 year oldwho gets bad congestion and ear infections. I know some these oils will also help my allergies,sinus infections and adrenal fatigue. I would like help in putting together my own blends don’t mind buying oils but I think volume important.I don’t want a lot of marketing from different reps.butt would appreciate any suggestions from users on which are economical and have worked best for them. Thanks

    • I HIGHLY recommend this blend. I used it for myself and my son during a recent coughing illness. I have quite a few posts about adrenal fatigue. More to come. I am trying out a new supplement right now that is great. I am not ready to post on it but can share more if you would like to email me at wholenewmom at gmail dot com.

      Here is an affiliate link to the oil blend that helped: http://bit.ly/1Ltw9GB

  68. Heather says:

    Hi,
    I have been looking into essential oils. Tired of spending so much on prescription drugs, not to mention some of the side effects. I have been approached by Young Living and am doing research. Like your info, so I checked about getting a starter kit. One problem, everything I was looking at was out of stock. Any idea how long it will take for stock to be available. I a looking for a treatment for my husbands sinus and allergy problems. Gets so bad sometimes, he cannot work. I suffer with asthma and with the pollution, there are days I cannot go out. Would like to try the oils . would appreciate your feedback.
    Thanks

    • Hi there. Which kit are you looking at? I will check for you. I have had horrid allergies so I know how you feel. My boys’ have as well. I personally do allergy shots and am looking at a new homeopathic type treatment and we use nettle tea. Sometimes the oils too. And of course overall healing work on the gut and metals, etc. And a good hepa filter in the home.

      Let me know. Thanks!!

  69. I recently went grain free and grain free cold turkey. Its been about a week now. By all accounts this withdrawal I’m experiencing could last between two weeks and three months! I am nauseous, exhausted, achey, and my bowels and belly are in an uproar. The Wheat Belly blogs just say to eat fat! Eat carbs. That’s fine if I can keep it down. So, in the interim, are there any essential oils I can get to help with classic withdrawal symptoms?

  70. When you mentioned using Thieves for sinus and at a 1:1 ratio. what oil should I mix it with. dies one us 5 drops of it plus 5 drops of the olive oil? what type of oil.

    • Hi there. I didn’t say to use the Thieves 1:1 for sinus – I did that for the acne. You can use any carrier really – olive is convenient. FCO is the most common. Thanks!

    • Use coconut oil it’s anti-bacterial.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19134433

      Also, for the items you mention there has been a lot of success using peppermint and lavender oils. Diffusing lavender works great, although you can also rub either in your palm (1-2 drops) and directly sniff it into your sinuses. The fact that you can smell something means molecules are hitting your receptors and being absorbed.

      Craig

      • Hi Craig – are you for sure on molecules being absorbed if you smell it? I don’t know enough about olfactory delivery systems but seems like it might be variable based on the molecular size. Thanks.

  71. shirley says:

    thanks for this post and the opportunity to comment. i am feeling somewhat disillusioned today. I too have used and like many of the young living oils. however, i was set up on autoship and was building up my points to use for products. i had used some of them in april and was waiting to use the rest as i was going to have to cut back on what I was spending, they only allowed me to use so many then cut it off. In may and then again in June my autoship was shorted because they ran out of product. I was really busy and hadn’t noticed but the product was in stock when i placed the order. this caused my points to drop below the alotted amount and i lost all the points that i had accumulated. They won’t honour it and just keep saying how sorry they are and I could get their automatic system to replace any out of stock product with something else to keep my points up. i was already spending too much on oils every month because I was waiting to be able to use all of the points. The oils are very expensive and you can’t just buy 50.00 worth, it is always closer to 6o or 70 by the time you get as close as possible to the 50 pv points. just want to let others know that there is no grace with this company

  72. Nevermind the fact that this is purely anecdotal, People see miracles in everything, doesn’t make it true. No science can be found to back this crap up

    • Hi Liz. Yes, it’s anecdotal, but it’s happened over and over again – with many natural substances. The trouble w/ natural remedies and “no science” being there to back it up is that there is no money in most of these substances so Big Pharma, et al doesn’t do the research. I will say that I think it would be a huge travesty to the natural alternative remedy community / providers to wait for double-blind, placebo-controlled, peer-reviewed studies on all natural substances / diets to be done before one tries them. And many lives would be lost / quality of life would be reduced. The changes I have seen in mine and my family’s health by trying things that I heard were a good option / was advised to try by a friend or professional have been immense.

      This post might interest you – I would love to hear what you think about it. Thanks for commenting. Oh- and I don’t think that my stating what happened to my family by using natural remedies qualifies as “crap” either. Thanks again. http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/food-and-behavior-anecdotal-evidence-scientific-evidence/

    • There is science you just have to know where to look..

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17562569

      An example of why thieves works so well. It contains both rosemary and clove (among other oils).

      Craig

      • Brandon says:

        China is not exactly an outstanding pillar of scientific and academic integrity. The Chinese research community is riddled with fraudulent and invented results and plagiarism. The Journal ‘Nature’ published in 2010 that the Chinese government reported more than a third of 6,000 researchers at leading Chinese research institutions had admitted to plagiarism, falsification and fabrication. More than 55% of researchers polled knew someone who had falsified some aspect of their research.

        As for Big Pharma not being interested in “natural” medicine for profit reasons, where do you think Aspirin comes from? I assure you that the folks using it as far back as 400BC didn’t have test tubes and fancy lab equipment. Half of the top ten prescription drugs in the U.S. are of animal, plant, or microorganism origin. Here’s a short list of some of the medications derived from “natural” sources: http://www.rain-tree.com/plantdrugs.htm#.VZwr8_lVhBc

        • Hi Brandon. You are right to have concerns about China. There are, of course, good companies there, as well as corruption in any country, but I would suspect that there is more corruption there.

          Regarding your comment about Big Pharma, of course they are much more interested in synthetics than natural. And as you mentioned, those substances are “derived” from natural sources, so they can still test the derivative and make money off of it and patent it. The straight natural ingredient is much more of an issue for them. Let me know if you think otherwise. Thanks.

          • Brandon says:

            What do you think the distillation process is? It’s the isolation of active compounds. If you want straight natural ingredient, go rub a piece of willow bark on your forehead next time you get a headache.

            • Brandon, the patenting and research process is very complicated. There are actually some patents for some EO uses, and there is more research going on about EOs. I don’t know all the details about how this happens, but it is happening. Just not nearly to the extent that it happens in the pharmaceutical world. For some reason, and I am trying to get to the bottom of it, EOs don’t appear to be patentable as they are, but some individualized uses of them appear to be. I understand what the distillation process is. What I was referring to is that the drugs that are derived from natural ingredients aren’t just distillations, from what I understand. For example, codeine is made from the milky juice of the poppy plant. It isn’t a distillation of poppy. I hope that clarifies what I meant. Of course, many natural ingredients that are sold as supplements aren’t derivations at all. They are sometimes just the substance ground up.

  73. Thank you so much for all the information and fast response to my inquiry about Thieves. Awesome!! I have a couple more questions if you don’t mind. Young Living oils: Are they pharmaceutical grade? I was told that they are but am questioning this now after reading through all the info here. Also Young Living has a great starter kit that they sell at $150, it includes a diffuser and lots of different oils. I was considering as the price is really great. I am not thinking of joining the “club” and selling…just thought the kit was a good way to get started. Then I looked at NAN and was really impressed, but see that their claim is therapeutic grade for the most part and I would spend way more to get the same oils and a diffuser (i.e.-a make your own starter kit)…. Just am confused a bit on the topic of therapeutic vs pharmaceutical and wonder if NAN is so much better it would be best to just start with them? Thanks in advance!

    • Hi there. I used to be a rep for them but I left. You can get an idea about why from this series. http://wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/natural-remedies/the-great-essential-oils-showdown-in-search-of-the-best-essential-oils/ Therapeutic Grade is a non regulated term, so you really need to trust the company you go with. This report might be of interest to you along those lines: http://wholenewmom.com/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-essential-oils-before-you-buy/

      Which starter kit w/ YL are you looking at? Thanks!

      • Hi Adrienne,
        I am looking at this kit as a starter
        https://www.youngliving.com/en_US/opportunity/products/starter-kits/premium-starter-kit-with-dewdrop
        It has these “starter oils” and a diffuser as well as other items:
        Dewdrop Diffuser
        Premium Essential Oils Collection;
        Lavender 5-ml
        Peppermint 5-ml
        Lemon 5-ml
        Copaiba 5-ml
        Frankincense 5-ml
        Thieves® 5-ml
        Purification® 5-ml
        R.C.™ 5-ml
        DiGize™ 5-ml
        PanAway® 5-ml
        Stress Away™ 5-ml
        Seems like an easy way to start this journey….But maybe its just overkill and I could get the same things from NAN, only not everything…just the basics. The rep from YL has said she would throw in EndoFlex for free if I buy the starter kit….
        I am really conflicted as I don’t really want to get caught up in MLM and be sorry as I have no intention of selling this. I want to use them personally. Also again, I was told that YL oils were Pharmaceutical grade…but can’t seem to find any evidence of this and when I google this I only get info on Therapeutic oils. Do Pharmaceutical grade oils exist?

        I know…so many questions…but this industry is not very straightforward…would love just an easy entry point to get my feet wet and then go from there

        AGAIN…A HUGE THANKYOU!

        • Hi Debi,

          I know – it’s confusing.

          I had my son calculate the prices of the 5 ml NAN / RMO oils against 1/3 of the wholesale prices of YL’s 15 ml bottles. He came up w/ the NAN / RMO oils being $32 less than the YL oils – and they are having a free shipping offer tonight (I hope this gets to you before midnight MST). Anyhow, all I can tell you is that I left YL for several reasons, some of which I wrote about. And I was on my way to building a “business.” I think I had 14 people under myself. As for the pharmaceutical grade, I have never heard of that. Or perhaps I did and knew it wasn’t anything really. These are terms made up by folks in the industry for the most part.

          This resource might help. Thanks and let me know if I can do anything else. http://wholenewmom.com/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-essential-oils-before-you-buy/

          • thank you so much! I went ahead and placed a small order with NAN before I got your response as I am just so curious and I like that I can just buy as a customer and not have to deal with the MLM issue. I appreciate your work (and your son’s work!) so much! thank you thank you!! I just bought a few oils that I really really wanted to try and will jump in further as I learn more. Now to buy a diffuser! Heading down the path and really excited!

  74. Brandon says:

    “Let me know if [you have a differing opinion and valid points so I can have them deleted]” – Adrienne

    • Sorry to disappoint you, Brandon, but I am simply behind in replying to comments. I rarely delete any. I would appreciate your being more generous in your assessment of me. Thanks. I’ll respond when I have time. I am very busy.

  75. Brain1076 says:

    Here’s the investigation the FDA did and subsequent letter ordering a response from Young Living Oils including a change to their claims that these products are a treatment for anything.

    http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm416023.htm

  76. I am confused of which co to use to buy EO,s. My nicie sells yl and has sent me several samples. I really like the 2 sent and tried some from the Vit shop. just to check it out My daughter is always buy Eo from someone Me i would like a co that is good for me. Soooo What is best just confused.